> I don't get it. I finished growing 10 years ago. Why the sudden change 
> *now*?

Your metabolism probably changes as you get older, meaning more of what you 
eat gets stored as fat and less gets converted to energy.

> Well, if I'm not going to eat cheese any more, the question would be "what 
> the heck am I going to eat?"

Um do you see anyone else having a diet of 80% cheese?  Read this:

http://www.eatwell.gov.uk/healthydiet/eighttipssection/8tips/

Is it that you don't like anything other than cheese, or you can't think 
what else to eat?

> As for exercise... I only really have 3 hours a day that I can do anything 
> with.

Even 30 mins exercise a day will have a huge impact, believe me.  I doubt 
you could even run for 30 mins straight at the moment, I know I could only 
just about manage about 10 mins very slowly when I didn't do any exercise 
previously.

If you attempt to walk/jog/run for 30 mins every evening and eat healthier 
food you will have lower weight in a few weeks, it's almost guaranteed.

> 3. That's *insanely* boring.

Well find something that you enjoy more, roller blading, cycling, swimming 
etc.  Hey even get one of those cross-trainer exercise machines and watch a 
DVD at the same time, that's what I often do if the weather is particularly 
bad outside, the time goes so quickly.

Believe me, you'll prefer doing the above to being in hospital with a heart 
attack later in life, read up on cholesterol, how much is in cheese, and why 
you have heart attacks.  A diet of 80% cheese is going to lead to a 
disaster...

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scott wrote:
>> I don't get it. I finished growing 10 years ago. Why the sudden change 
>> *now*?
> 
> Your metabolism probably changes as you get older, meaning more of what 
> you eat gets stored as fat and less gets converted to energy.

Heh. Next I get to have all my hair fall out. Yay, me. :-/

Damnit, my life is almost over now, and I haven't even *done* anything 
yet! >_<

>> Well, if I'm not going to eat cheese any more, the question would be 
>> "what the heck am I going to eat?"
> 
> Um do you see anyone else having a diet of 80% cheese?

Heh, no. Mind you, most other people seem to eat stuff I wouldn't touch 
even if you paid me. :-P

> Read this:
> 
> http://www.eatwell.gov.uk/healthydiet/eighttipssection/8tips/

Mmm, interesting. I had no idea starch was so great. Well, at least I 
can still max out on pasta and potatoe wedges then! There's no way I'm 
going to willingly eat slimy fish though. :-P

> Is it that you don't like anything other than cheese, or you can't think 
> what else to eat?

Well, at work I have cheese sandwiches. Given that there are no food 
preparation facilities of any kind, I'm struggling to think what else I 
could possibly eat. Crisps? That hardly seems like an improvement.

I often have cheese on toast in the evening, but that's just because 
there's usually no "real" food in the building. When it's available, I 
tend to eat pizza (so... basically cheese then) or cook some chicken. Or 
some other kind of meat. Or maybe just noodles. (Not very filling though...)

>> As for exercise... I only really have 3 hours a day that I can do 
>> anything with.
> 
> Even 30 mins exercise a day will have a huge impact, believe me.

Don't believe you.

I spent 2 years of my life cycling over 2 hours per day. It made NO 
DIFFERENCE at all. And let me tell you, each day I arrived at my 
destination *exhausted*. Still it made no difference.

> I doubt you could even run for 30 mins straight at the moment

I agree. I'm a sprinter, I never could do long distances.

> If you attempt to walk/jog/run for 30 mins every evening and eat 
> healthier food you will have lower weight in a few weeks, it's almost 
> guaranteed.

Er, yeah, right. I know of people who have been doing that for decades 
and still can't lose weight.

>> 3. That's *insanely* boring.
> 
> Well find something that you enjoy more, roller blading, cycling, 
> swimming etc.

Like I said, I took up dance classes because I thought it might help. 
But apparently not. Likewise, I enjoy rock climbing (surely a serious 
workout?), but the local climbing wall purposely shuts 10 minutes before 
I arrive home just to annoy me. And then there's skiing. Again quite a 
good full-body workout, but *damned* expensive.



> Believe me, you'll prefer doing the above to being in hospital with a 
> heart attack later in life, read up on cholesterol, how much is in 
> cheese, and why you have heart attacks.  A diet of 80% cheese is going 
> to lead to a disaster...

Well, I recently had a blood test specifically looking for cholesterol, 
and apparently they found nothing unusual. The 80% figure, like all 
statistics, is made up off the top of my head. I haven't actually 
*measured* it or anything, it just seems like about the right number.

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Invisible wrote:
> scott wrote:
> 
>> That is exactly to be expected, when you are younger most people can
>> eat what they like with little or no exercise and won't get fat. 
>> Usually during your late 20s / early 30s that changes, it's just life.
> 
> I don't get it. I finished growing 10 years ago. Why the sudden change
> *now*?

	I was just like you. For about 8 years, my weight remained at 60-62 kg.
I could eat whatever I wanted and it wouldn't make a difference.

	Then suddenly I was carrying extra weight around, and my trousers
wouldn't fit. Really bad sign.

	So I lost (some) weight. Basically just ate less - that's all.

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> I was just like you. For about 8 years, my weight remained at 60-62 kg.
> I could eat whatever I wanted and it wouldn't make a difference.
>
> Then suddenly I was carrying extra weight around, and my trousers
> wouldn't fit. Really bad sign.

Ditto here, I was always around 70-75kg from about 16 years old up to 25 or 
so, my weight did not change hardly depending on if I ate three huge 
unhealthy meals a day with no exercise (while working over the summer 
months) or eating relatively little with a lot of exercise.  Then suddenly 
my weight started going up, trousers were tight and I rocked in at 83kg on 
the scales.  Since then I have to work quite hard with what I eat and 
forcing myself to find time to exercise to keep my weight below 80kg. 
Luckily my gf is quite a health food fanatic so that bit is relatively easy 
for me.

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scott wrote:
>> I was just like you. For about 8 years, my weight remained at 60-62 kg.
>> I could eat whatever I wanted and it wouldn't make a difference.
>>
>> Then suddenly I was carrying extra weight around, and my trousers
>> wouldn't fit. Really bad sign.
> 
> Ditto here, I was always around 70-75kg from about 16 years old up to 25 
> or so, my weight did not change hardly depending on if I ate three huge 
> unhealthy meals a day with no exercise (while working over the summer 
> months) or eating relatively little with a lot of exercise.  Then 
> suddenly my weight started going up, trousers were tight and I rocked in 
> at 83kg on the scales.  Since then I have to work quite hard with what I 
> eat and forcing myself to find time to exercise to keep my weight below 
> 80kg. Luckily my gf is quite a health food fanatic so that bit is 
> relatively easy for me.

I've been 80 Kg for years...

Wait, how tall are you?

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> I've been 80 Kg for years...
>
> Wait, how tall are you?

179cm

If you divide your weight (in kg) by your height^2 (in metres) that should 
be between 20-25.  For me, 80kg corresponds to the upper end of the scale, 
so I try to keep under that.

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scott wrote:
>> I've been 80 Kg for years...
>>
>> Wait, how tall are you?
> 
> 179cm

OK, I'm quite a bit taller than you (188 cm).

> If you divide your weight (in kg) by your height^2 (in metres) that 
> should be between 20-25.  For me, 80kg corresponds to the upper end of 
> the scale, so I try to keep under that.

Hmm, so 80 / 1.88^2 = 22.63

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> Mmm, interesting. I had no idea starch was so great. Well, at least I can 
> still max out on pasta and potatoe wedges then! There's no way I'm going 
> to willingly eat slimy fish though. :-P

There are lots of different types of fish, not all are slimy.  Potato wedges 
are often not very healthy if they have been fried in bad stuff, check the 
packaging.

> Well, at work I have cheese sandwiches. Given that there are no food 
> preparation facilities of any kind, I'm struggling to think what else I 
> could possibly eat. Crisps? That hardly seems like an improvement.

I have no food preparation facilities here either, but there are much 
healthier things to eat than cheese sandwiches (I guess you are having white 
bread still, right?).  First make sure you're eating brown bread and not 
white, then you can have soup with it (there are millions of different 
flavours and viscosities, don't tell me you hate all of them), salad with 
chicken or tuna, even just cutting out half the cheese and replacing it with 
some salad will be a good start.  If you prepare food in the evening then 
make a little more and take it to eat cold the next day if suitable (do you 
have a microwave at work?).

> I often have cheese on toast in the evening, but that's just because 
> there's usually no "real" food in the building.

What, you're incapable of stopping in a supermarket on the way home from 
work?

> When it's available, I tend to eat pizza (so... basically cheese then) or 
> cook some chicken. Or some other kind of meat. Or maybe just noodles. (Not 
> very filling though...)

Get some of those big packets of frozen chopped up mixed vegetables from the 
supermarket, whilst not as good as the fresh stuff it's much faster to 
prepare and is almost as good.  Then throw a bit of chicken in the oven, 
boil some noodles/rice/pasta, heat up some tomoato-based sauce (or make your 
own if you are getting in to it) and you've got a really healthy, tasty and 
quick meal.

> I spent 2 years of my life cycling over 2 hours per day. It made NO 
> DIFFERENCE at all.

Perhaps because you weren't having a weight problem back then?  I did a huge 
amount of exercise at university too and it didn't affect my weight at all. 
But then neither did junking out for 3 months with no exercise so it doesn't 
really prove anything.

> And let me tell you, each day I arrived at my destination *exhausted*. 
> Still it made no difference.

But I bet at the end of the 2 years you could make that journey way faster 
than at the beginning, if not you are not human!

> I agree. I'm a sprinter, I never could do long distances.

It's just practise.  Do 1 minute longer each day, that's definitely possible 
to sustain for a few weeks, also don't start out sprinting, start out 
thinking you're going to sustain this for 30 minutes - it makes a 
difference.

> Er, yeah, right. I know of people who have been doing that for decades and 
> still can't lose weight.

While eating healthily the whole time? Don't believe you unless they have 
some medical condition.

> Well, I recently had a blood test specifically looking for cholesterol, 
> and apparently they found nothing unusual.

Young people who are not obese rarely do, but you're on the slipperly slope 
now and the longer you go without acting the harder it will become...

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>>> I've been 80 Kg for years...
>>>
>>> Wait, how tall are you?
>>
>> 179cm
>
> OK, I'm quite a bit taller than you (188 cm).
>
>> If you divide your weight (in kg) by your height^2 (in metres) that 
>> should be between 20-25.  For me, 80kg corresponds to the upper end of 
>> the scale, so I try to keep under that.
>
> Hmm, so 80 / 1.88^2 = 22.63

See, perfect! So what's your weight now then, given that you've been 80 for 
years and you've recently gained a load?

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>> Hmm, so 80 / 1.88^2 = 22.63
> 
> See, perfect!

Heh. Well considering that I've always been skin and bones, you'd hope 
so. ;-)

> So what's your weight now then, given that you've been 80 
> for years and you've recently gained a load?

This is the operative question...

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