The phrase "YouTube lameness" is very near being a redundancy.

Regards,
John

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Warp wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> I don't pirate music for a similar reason... (Being a person who also 
>> creates the stuff.)
> 
>   I don't even feel the need to pirate music because listening to music
> is not my hobby. I basically never listen to music.

I feel sad for you.  Unless you're deaf, in which case there's no way 
around it...

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"nemesis" <nam### [at] nospamgmailcom> wrote in message 
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> Warp wrote:
>> Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>>> I don't pirate music for a similar reason... (Being a person who also 
>>> creates the stuff.)
>>
>>   I don't even feel the need to pirate music because listening to music
>> is not my hobby. I basically never listen to music.
>
> I feel sad for you.  Unless you're deaf, in which case there's no way 
> around it...

Likewise, without music I'd simply be a lost soul.

I listen to music pretty much the entire time I'm awake, but then again, I 
listen to music when I go to sleep so thats not real accurate :)

IOW, I love music, music *moves* you!  Imagine the feeling you'd get if you 
created a piece of music to have someone come up to you and say something 
like "whenever I hear your song x, all the hairs stand on my neck stand on 
end" for example, imho thats the biggest cudos someone could ever give...

Music has the ability to make my body move without my brain telling it to! 
*Nothing* in this world can do the same.

Cheers Dre

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>  Soon we will live in a world where pirated music and movies are the
> *only* way to get them to work properly without having to spend enormous
> amounts of money on expensive hardware which might still not guarantee
> that you can get them to work properly.

Exactly, I don't understand why the producing companies do not realise that 
if they completely scrapped DRM at least the same people would still buy 
their products (maybe even a few more who refused to buy before because of 
DRM) and their products will still appear on bitTorrent.  The only 
difference will be they don't have to spend millions on DRM and their 
customers don't have to get annoyed with it.

I can understand in the past when there was no internet and people passed 
around videos to copy at home, and some mild DRM would stop most people 
being able to copy the tape.  But today there are *always* huge numbers of 
very skilled people willing to put in the time and effort to crack any new 
DRM system and share their findings online.  Once one person has done that 
everyone else can get the copy with almost no hassle.

eg They must have spent a huge amount of time and effort coming up with the 
really complicated DRM system that is used on BluRay discs.  Yet, almost 2 
weeks before the official launch of Wall-E on BluRay (in the UK at least), 
you can download the 1920x800 DRM-free AVI for free, and I'm sure all other 
releases are equally available.  I think that counts as a failure in 
anyone's books.

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> The phrase "YouTube lameness" is very near being a redundancy.

That's like saying "Internet lameness" is near being a redundancy.

There is plenty of good content on there, you just need to filter out the 
bad stuff.

Quite often with new software I YouTube for "<software> tutorial", or for 
some specific feature I can't work out how to use, or some critical moment 
of a sporting event that I would like to watch again, etc. I find it quite 
useful.

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Warp wrote:

>   I don't even feel the need to pirate music because listening to music
> is not my hobby. I basically never listen to music.

Given the current state of the Chart Top 40, I can't say I blame you...

...oh, wait. You're from the country that gave us Lordi? That 
*definitely* explains it! o_O

>> OTOH, DRM *also* annoys the hell out of me! >_<
> 
>   The reason why DRM is so annoying is that it doesn't affect the people
> who it should, ie. the pirates, but it *does* affect and hinder the honest
> people who buy honestly and pay what they are asked for the product.

As somebody once said, "trying to make data not copiably is like trying 
to make water not wet".

Even on paper the concept is impossible.

The *only* way to prevent digital copying is to make all devices use a 
single common DRM system, and to outlaw (and efficiently confiscate!) 
all devices which can circumvent this DRM.

Even assuming you somehow manage to do this (how long have guns been 
illegal in my country?), this does nothing to prevent copying of 
analogue signals. And basically all of this stuff must eventually be 
rendered in an analogue form in order to *use* it for its intended purpose.

The only way to totally prevent analogue copying is to prevent any 
device that can copy analogue signals. So no recording devices, basically.

In fact, forget DRM. If you just outlaw any device capable of copying 
audio/video signals, the audio/video DRM problem goes away. As does 
YouTube. Because nobody will be able to make anything to put on it.

So getting rid of all recording devices is infiesible. The only other 
approach is watermarking and requiring all devices to respect it. 
Unfortunately, nobody has yet designed a watermark that can survive 
extreme treatment. And it's probably impossible even in theory.

I find the whole idea pretty absurd.

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Dre <and### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> > I feel sad for you.  Unless you're deaf, in which case there's no way 
> > around it...

> Likewise, without music I'd simply be a lost soul.

  The *most* I can bear to listen to is one CD of music. Well before the end
I will be rather tired of it. Often I can't bear it to the end and I will
just stop it early, for the sweet silence. Thus I basically never listen to
music for more than a few minutes.

  And this is only if I'm not concentrating on anything. If I'm concentrating
on something (eg. work or reading), the music is immensely distracting. It
makes it very hard to concentrate. I need silence, please.

> IOW, I love music, music *moves* you!

  It may move me, but after it has played for an hour it starts becoming
really tiresome, if not even irritating.

  I don't hate music. I like music. There's no musical genre which I would
detest. I just can't listen to it for long periods of time.

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                                                          - Warp

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scott <sco### [at] scottcom> wrote:
> I can understand in the past when there was no internet and people passed 
> around videos to copy at home, and some mild DRM would stop most people 
> being able to copy the tape.  But today there are *always* huge numbers of 
> very skilled people willing to put in the time and effort to crack any new 
> DRM system and share their findings online.  Once one person has done that 
> everyone else can get the copy with almost no hassle.

  That's where internet censorship steps into play.

  (Internet censorship is starting to slowly get widespread. It starts
"innocently" by banning child porn and perhaps racism. But you'll see that
soon it will be used to try to stop music piracy as well.)

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                                                          - Warp

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Warp wrote:

>   And this is only if I'm not concentrating on anything. If I'm concentrating
> on something (eg. work or reading), the music is immensely distracting. It
> makes it very hard to concentrate. I need silence, please.

I *like* music and even I agree with this...

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>> I can understand in the past when there was no internet and people passed
>> around videos to copy at home, and some mild DRM would stop most people
>> being able to copy the tape.  But today there are *always* huge numbers 
>> of
>> very skilled people willing to put in the time and effort to crack any 
>> new
>> DRM system and share their findings online.  Once one person has done 
>> that
>> everyone else can get the copy with almost no hassle.
>
>  That's where internet censorship steps into play.
>
>  (Internet censorship is starting to slowly get widespread. It starts
> "innocently" by banning child porn and perhaps racism. But you'll see that
> soon it will be used to try to stop music piracy as well.)

Well given that piracy is illegal, it seems a legitimate target for the 
censors, but as with all these sort of schemes there will always be a way 
around them and new ways of pirating software will pop up.  Just look what 
happened with Napster when it was shut down, up popped bitTorrent.  If 
suddenly they start censoring all sites that link to torrents, then I'm 100% 
sure some new method will be invented that makes it impossible to censor 
using the existing scheme.  By the time a new scheme is dreamt up to fight 
the pirates, another system will be in place, it's endless.

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