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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: I thought I did a good job...
Date: 13 Aug 2008 05:19:12
Message: <48a2a710$1@news.povray.org>
Phil Cook wrote:

> Ah come on everyone knows that a women only marries a man in order to 
> change him into someone they wouldn't marry and don't want to have sex 
> with... please don't kill me :-)

"Feelings? You know who 'as feelings? Blokes wot bludgon their wives to 
death with a goft trophie. Professionals have *standards*."

Uh... you should probably just ignore that...

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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: I thought I did a good job...
Date: 13 Aug 2008 05:25:40
Message: <op.ufti4k1yc3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:14:36 +0100, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> did  
spake, saying:

>>>> None of us gets an instruction manual on how to be a parent.
>>  Though that's only a matter of time, with fines if you don't do things  
>> correctly.
>
> That would by funny - if it wasn't true...

Scary huh?

>> When I was younger (so much younger than today)
>
> You never needed anybody's help in any way?

Indeed, though these days are gone.

>>> Heh. I guess because *my* parents were always quite distant I forget  
>>> what it's like to be a normal family...
>>  I gotta say what with you having a sister I'm surprised how you  
>> present yourself;
>
> How do you mean?

I just see those with one sibling as being more outspoken etc. with more  
than one you can either get swamped or shout louder, but with just one...  
meh just my mental hangup.

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Phil Cook

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: I thought I did a good job...
Date: 13 Aug 2008 05:36:02
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>>>  I gotta say what with you having a sister I'm surprised how you 
>>> present yourself;
>>
>> How do you mean?
> 
> I just see those with one sibling as being more outspoken etc. with more 
> than one you can either get swamped or shout louder, but with just 
> one... meh just my mental hangup.

Nope. My little sister is the strong-willed, outspoken one. When my mum 
makes some ridiculous demand, I grudingly get on with it. My sister just 
tells her where to stick it. (This probably works significantly better 
because my sister doesn't actually *live* there any more...)

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From: Warp
Subject: Re: I thought I did a good job...
Date: 13 Aug 2008 10:05:52
Message: <48a2ea40@news.povray.org>
Sabrina Kilian <"ykgp at vtSPAM.edu"> wrote:
> I think I spot a trend in this sites complaints, and it ain't pretty.

> 'Sex stops after marriage' and 'American women talk about how they cheat'

> Yup, obviously it's the woman's fault that the sex stops, because they 
> are so done with sex that they just want more of it. I can see the logic 
> there; there it goes, dancing it's way away from that argument. The rest 
> of the site continues the same way, contradicting each argument it 
> makes. It's like Time Cube for misogynists.

  You got it wrongly.

  Women do not cheat because they want sex. They cheat because they want
romantic relationships. The sex is just part of the relationship, but not
the ultimate reason for the cheating. Sex is just a mean to an end, not
the end itself.

  That's the reason why women do not want sex with their husbands *and*
they cheat: The sex itself is irrelevant, what matters is the relationship.
They have got tired and sick of their husband who is not, after all, the
wonderful person they thought he was. Their husband cannot fulfill their
need for a romantic relationship. They only see their husband was wanting
sex, sex and nothing but sex, with the least amount of exotic romanticism.
Thus they seek it elsewhere.

  So yes, it is possible for a person to not want sex with their spouse
and, at the same time, succumb for cheating them, and it can make a lot
of sense.

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                                                          - Warp


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From: St 
Subject: Re: I thought I did a good job...
Date: 13 Aug 2008 13:44:16
Message: <48a31d70$1@news.povray.org>
"Jim Charter" <jrc### [at] msncom> wrote in message 
news:48a1ad3c$1@news.povray.org...
> St. wrote:
>
>> me, he thinks he's invincible. He's been pumping weights for the last 
>> four years pretty much constantly,
>
> Takes focus.

 Yes, and I'm proud of him for that at least, but just a little worried 
about the 'invincible' thing.

>
>
>
> (I've even found steroids in his room), but
>
> Did you talk to him about that?

   Yes, I did in a 'big' way. I'm not even sure if they were actual steroids 
if you like, but the bottle had something like "100 Muscle Enhancing 
Capsules" on the side. I guess they could have been some kind of derivative 
of steroids if there is such a thing. That was about 18 months ago, and 
thankfully, I haven't seen them since. 'Seen' being the operative word 
there.

   ~Steve~


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From: St 
Subject: Re: I thought I did a good job...
Date: 13 Aug 2008 13:44:17
Message: <48a31d71$1@news.povray.org>
"Mike Raiford" <mra### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message 
news:48a198f5@news.povray.org...
> St. wrote:
>> "Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
>> news:48a147e9$1@news.povray.org...
>>> I still have so much to look forward to in life. :-/
>>
>>     Mate, you don't know the half of it. To me, you are so lucky, you 
>> should be smiling all day long. When I say lucky, I mean that you have 
>> the chance to meet a nice, sensible lady, and not some immature bimbo 
>> that just wants to notch up another score on her bed post or get into 
>> half of your salary. Trust me, when you meet that nice lady, you'll know 
>> it.
>>
>>       ~Steve~
>
> Reading what you wrote I was at a loss for words. I suppose you could 
> execute the "My house, My rules" clause, seeing as he is a legal adult. If 
> he doesn't like your rules, then he's free to do as he pleases, just not 
> under your roof.

     Thanks Mike, I do know that I could do the "My house, my rules" thing, 
but seriously, this guy gets a strop on for the smallest of things, and 
well, he knows 'me', and he already knows what I want, and what I wanted of 
him. The signs of the rebellion in him were showing when he was at school at 
about the age of about 9. I think I did the 'porn on the school computers' 
thing here before, so I won't go into that, but, then there was the big 
'blade from the pencil sharpener and getting other kids to cut themselves' 
thing too. And then, when he was about 14, and in his most *favourite* 
lesson, Art, he did the "it would be fun to throw a few water bombs around 
the class to ruin other's work" thing. Headmaster did a ninja kick on me, 
and since that last episode, I've kept my eye on him constantly and tried to 
get him to see the errors of his ways. Hmm, and now this...


>
> What you wrote did send a shiver of terror down my spine though, that my 
> son, for all the potential he has could eventually wind up doing the same. 
> I'll be sure to cherish every moment while he's still young enough to 
> think the world of his mom and dad. :)

     The potential to do the same will always be there, as I said before, 
sheep. I don't know if that's a worldly term or not, but here it means "to 
follow like a sheep" - and that's exactly what he's done with this gang. I 
know, I know, he wants to be accepted with the most popular guys around him. 
I mean, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em right? It's safer that way yes? 
Problem is, I know these guys, and I know what they're capable of, and when 
they want to have a 'laugh' at his expense, well, who knows what will 
happen.

    Mike, from what you've written, I'm kinda glad that I wrote what I'd 
written. I'm sure you'll be a great dad. You can only do your best mate.

     ~Steve~


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From: St 
Subject: Re: I thought I did a good job...
Date: 13 Aug 2008 13:44:18
Message: <48a31d72@news.povray.org>
"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
news:48a183e0$1@news.povray.org...
>>> Hmm. No offence, but... There are many, many things wrong in my life. 
>>> However, at least I can say I'm not heading for nearly as much trouble 
>>> as this individual seems to be heading for.
>>
>>    None taken.
>
> Well, I think you realise I wasn't trying to say "man, your kid sux!"

    Yeah, sure.  :)


>
>> I don't think you're heading for any trouble, you're a well-adjusted guy, 
>> and you're old enough to know what you want out of life.
>>
>>      I think the only thing that you lack in is self confidence, which 
>> will come when you're ready.
>
> If I was well-adjusted I wouldn't fear walking down the street in broad 
> daylight because I don't want people to beat me up...

    Mate, I *fear* walking the streets in broad daylight! You do know that 
in this country we have the peculiar habit of saying 'sorry mate' when we 
bump into someone else in a crowded street? I do it all the time, seriously. 
Apparently, we here are quite unique for doing this. I know why, it's to 
take conflict out of the situation before it even arises - if you're lucky 
that is. I bet you anything, that you avoid looking a guy in the eye as much 
as possible, right? I'm the same! I've been there and done that, it's not 
nice if they take offence.

  You know Andrew, and this is what I *seriously* think you should do; start 
taking karate lessons or judo, or any one of the other many self defense 
classes near to you. Let's say it's two hours a week. First off, I think 
you'll love it. You certainly have the body for it, you're quite a big guy. 
You'll meet new people, both sexes, young and old. You'll gain confidence 
like you've never had before, and... if you follow it through, you will walk 
through the street and hold your head up high. It will take time, and you 
will have to work at it, and you HAVE to 'want' to do it, but the end result 
would be SO worth it. Seriously Andrew, consider it.

   And always remember, bigger guys than you can fall hard... They're not 
invincible:

      http://www.psfights.com/fight-video-1406.htm



> As for self-confidence... yeah, imagine what would be possible if I were 
> ever to possess such a quality. ;-)

      See above.


     ~Steve~




>
> -- 
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From: Sabrina Kilian
Subject: Re: I thought I did a good job...
Date: 13 Aug 2008 17:03:41
Message: <48a34c2d@news.povray.org>
Phil Cook wrote:
> And lo on Wed, 13 Aug 2008 03:30:05 +0100, Sabrina Kilian <"ykgp at 
> vtSPAM.edu"> did spake, saying:
> 
>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 06:14:37 -0400, Warp wrote:
>>>
>>>> St. <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:
>>>>>     Mate, you don't know the half of it. To me, you are so lucky, you
>>>>>     should
>>>>> be smiling all day long. When I say lucky, I mean that you have the
>>>>> chance to meet a nice, sensible lady, and not some immature bimbo that
>>>>> just wants to notch up another score on her bed post or get into half
>>>>> of your salary. Trust me, when you meet that nice lady, you'll know 
>>>>> it.
>>>>   http://nomarriage.com/
>>>  Holy cow, what a misogynistic site....
>>
>> I think I spot a trend in this sites complaints, and it ain't pretty.
>>
>> 'Sex stops after marriage' and 'American women talk about how they cheat'
>>
>> Yup, obviously it's the woman's fault that the sex stops, because they 
>> are so done with sex that they just want more of it. I can see the 
>> logic there; there it goes, dancing it's way away from that argument. 
>> The rest of the site continues the same way, contradicting each 
>> argument it makes. It's like Time Cube for misogynists.
> 
> Ah come on everyone knows that a women only marries a man in order to 
> change him into someone they wouldn't marry and don't want to have sex 
> with... please don't kill me :-)
> 

Why would I kill you, that wouldn't change your opinion?


But I should ask, are you married yet? *evil grin*


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From: somebody
Subject: Re: I thought I did a good job...
Date: 13 Aug 2008 19:08:47
Message: <48a3697f$1@news.povray.org>
"Sabrina Kilian" <"ykgp at vtSPAM.edu"> wrote in message
news:48a2472c$1@news.povray.org...
> Jim Henderson wrote:
> > On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 06:14:37 -0400, Warp wrote:
> >
> >> St. <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:
> >>>     Mate, you don't know the half of it. To me, you are so lucky, you
> >>>     should
> >>> be smiling all day long. When I say lucky, I mean that you have the
> >>> chance to meet a nice, sensible lady, and not some immature bimbo that
> >>> just wants to notch up another score on her bed post or get into half
> >>> of your salary. Trust me, when you meet that nice lady, you'll know
it.
> >>   http://nomarriage.com/
> >
> > Holy cow, what a misogynistic site....
> >
> > Jim

> I think I spot a trend in this sites complaints, and it ain't pretty.
>
> 'Sex stops after marriage' and 'American women talk about how they cheat'

> Yup, obviously it's the woman's fault that the sex stops, because they
> are so done with sex that they just want more of it. I can see the logic
> there; there it goes, dancing it's way away from that argument. The rest
> of the site continues the same way, contradicting each argument it
> makes. It's like Time Cube for misogynists.

Humans are contradictory in nature, so their actions end up that way too.
But there's little contradiction here. Women (and men) don't cheat because
they are sex-starved. Cheating is more about the power and the exhiliration
than physical need. Women enjoy another adding notch to their scorecards
just as much as men, and maybe even more so in modern society, as the
feminine empowerment culture spills over into the cheating arena. Cheating
is just another kind of empowerment, it's about asserting dominance, peer
pressure. Societal bias used to allow or even encourage only men to cheat
(and even brag about it), now the tables are turned. As to whose fault it
is... Maybe it's just that marriage is a concept getting antiquated. The
divorce rates may be an indication that the society is caught between
conflicting demands, that we cannot have our cakes and eat it too.


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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: I thought I did a good job...
Date: 14 Aug 2008 03:58:00
Message: <op.ufu9qx0uc3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:03:42 +0100, Sabrina Kilian <"ykgp at  
vtSPAM.edu"> did spake, saying:

> Phil Cook wrote:
>> And lo on Wed, 13 Aug 2008 03:30:05 +0100, Sabrina Kilian <"ykgp at  
>> vtSPAM.edu"> did spake, saying:
>>> Yup, obviously it's the woman's fault that the sex stops, because they  
>>> are so done with sex that they just want more of it. I can see the  
>>> logic there; there it goes, dancing it's way away from that argument.  
>>> The rest of the site continues the same way, contradicting each  
>>> argument it makes. It's like Time Cube for misogynists.
>>  Ah come on everyone knows that a women only marries a man in order to  
>> change him into someone they wouldn't marry and don't want to have sex  
>> with... please don't kill me :-)
>
> Why would I kill you, that wouldn't change your opinion?

It would certainly stop me having an option ;-)

> But I should ask, are you married yet? *evil grin*

Heh no.

-- 
Phil Cook

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