nemesis wrote:
> you know, that title seems to say absolutely nothing.  Nobody listen/reacts to
> music in the same way.

While I haven't read the book, I talked to my brother who had. According 
to what he said, you're incorrect. Many people react the same way to 
music, inside the brain at least.

It's like saying "everybody loves someone different." While true, this 
doesn't mean the mechanisms of love aren't something that can be 
scientifically investigates, and it doesn't mean that everyone's love 
mechanisms are different.

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   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     It's not feature creep if you put it
     at the end and adjust the release date.

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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> Many people react the same way to
> music, inside the brain at least.

Most react by moving some or all parts of their body accordingly.  Some react by
histerically shaking their heads up and down in huge crowds.  Some other react
by impassively analyzing the patterns and colors making up the texture of the
music.  nobody reacts the same way...

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nemesis <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> Most react by moving some or all parts of their body accordingly.  Some react by
> histerically shaking their heads up and down in huge crowds.  Some other react
> by impassively analyzing the patterns and colors making up the texture of the
> music.  nobody reacts the same way...

  That may be a *conscious*, learned way of reacting, but I think the subject
was about how the brain reacts instinctively, subconsciously.

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                                                          - Warp

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Warp wrote:
>   That may be a *conscious*, learned way of reacting, but I think the subject
> was about how the brain reacts instinctively, subconsciously.

Yah. I mean, everyone reacts to getting punched in the nose by feeling 
pain. It's the *response* to that, running away, punching back, crying, 
that differs. That's what I'm trying to say there.

I'll bring it up again after I actually read the book. :-)

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   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     It's not feature creep if you put it
     at the end and adjust the release date.

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Darren New wrote:

 > While I haven't read the book, I talked to my brother who had.
 > According to what he said, you're incorrect. Many people react the
 > same way to music, inside the brain at least.
 >

I'm no expert, but this doesn't "ring true." I feel like I have 
completely different reactions "inside the brain" to different types of 
music and that non-music things sometimes produce identical reactions to 
some types of music. So, everyone's reacting to "music" in such a 
universal way seems impossible. I suppose much depends on the "music" 
used in the study. I could buy that most people react the same way to 
Wagner ... but to Ween??

-Shay

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Shay <sha### [at] nonenone> wrote:
> I'm no expert, but this doesn't "ring true." I feel like I have 
> completely different reactions "inside the brain" to different types of 
> music and that non-music things sometimes produce identical reactions to 
> some types of music. So, everyone's reacting to "music" in such a 
> universal way seems impossible. I suppose much depends on the "music" 
> used in the study. I could buy that most people react the same way to 
> Wagner ... but to Ween??

  I suppose culture and experience affects how the brain reacts to music,
even at the subconscious/instinctive level.

  The brain of an adult person who has never heard any music whatsoever
in his life would probably react in all possible ways differently than
the brain of a person who has composed and played music from age 4 to
adulthood.

  Of course these are extreme cases, but it shows that some differences
must exist depending on the culture and experiences of the person.

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                                                          - Warp

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Shay wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
> 
>  > While I haven't read the book, I talked to my brother who had.
>  > According to what he said, you're incorrect. Many people react the
>  > same way to music, inside the brain at least.
>  >
> 
> I'm no expert, but this doesn't "ring true." I feel like I have 
> completely different reactions "inside the brain" to different types of 
> music and that non-music things sometimes produce identical reactions to 
> some types of music. So, everyone's reacting to "music" in such a 
> universal way seems impossible. I suppose much depends on the "music" 
> used in the study. I could buy that most people react the same way to 
> Wagner ... but to Ween??
> 
> -Shay

You can have completely different reactions to different types of music 
but how do you know what components or the reaction are brain dependent. 
  I mean two people may react differently to music, even to the point 
where one doesn't even recognize the stimulus *as* being music, yet 
there may still be commonalities in how their brain function is 
affected.  It has always been my naive belief, for instance, that 
classical music with its pace and intricacies appealed more to the mind, 
while rock with its pounding rhythms was more addressed to the body, 
(even to the point of perceiving rock music directly through the tactile 
sensors of the body.) Now I can even imagine that those different styles 
actually induce activities in the brain in different ways in connection 
with the different characteristics and qualities of the music.  But I 
can also imagine that those same brain patterns are the same in widely 
different people, and can still lead to very different interpretations 
of the stimulus, including if it is music at all, if it is music I like, 
if it is music that suits my present mood etc.  Maybe some people or 
some cultures don't like having their pelvises awakened.  Or maybe, as 
Warp points out, they never learned that this stimulus was supposed to 
have that effect.  Yet their brain could be reacting just like the other 
guys brain.

Hoping Darren keeps us updated on this book.

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Shay wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
> 
>  > While I haven't read the book, I talked to my brother who had.
>  > According to what he said, you're incorrect. Many people react the
>  > same way to music, inside the brain at least.
>  >
> 
> I'm no expert, but this doesn't "ring true." 

I also remember he said it discussed things like why some music sounds 
omnious/spooky, while other music sounds triumphant, why some makes you 
tap your foot and others make you nod your head.

I think you'd probably agree that you don't have to like the theme from 
Jaws to get apprehensive when you hear it, and you don't have to like 
classical music to agree that Ode to Joy is not a sad song.

-- 
   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     It's not feature creep if you put it
     at the end and adjust the release date.

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Perhaps I may be wrong, but I agree with the fact, that every human has same
biological reactions to a stimulus:
Hearing it -> the stimulus, translated to electric pulses, triggers the
distribution of electrical signals from neuron to neuron to that part of brain,
which interpretes it.
I thought, I read somewhere, that any sound (independent from what it is (noise,
music...)) might be at first stress for the body.
But it really depends on the volume. Listening to loud music is similar to
physical pain, also if the person likes to listen to that music.
On the other hand there are therapies using special frequencies to ease pain of
patients.
Regarding to these observations humans have to have similar brain reactions in a
biological way.

Regards

          bluetree

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BTW I don't know, what effect might music have to animals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfh4Vih1_G8

:-) Nice bird.


                    bluetree

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