And lo on Fri, 18 Jan 2008 04:11:33 -0000, Patrick Elliott  
<sel### [at] rraznet> did spake, saying:

> In article <op.t42htmvic3xi7v@news.povray.org>,
> phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk says...
>> And lo on Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:37:28 -0000, Fredrik Eriksson
>> <noo### [at] nowherecom> did spake, saying:
>>
>> > On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:25:23 +0100, Patrick Elliott <sel### [at] rraznet>
>> > wrote:
>> >> I wasn't sure if there was
>> >> any way to use VirtualDub or one of the other free tools that exist  
>> >> to manage that.
>> >
>> >
>> > I recall there being a 'rotate' filter in VirtualDub.
>>
>> Worship me for I can see the future :-P
>>
>> http://flipc.blogspot.com/2006/11/rotating-videos-virtual-dub-way.html
>>
> Awesome! Now I just have to get around to downloading VirtualDub again,
> installing it on my dad's computer and then using it. lol

Hope it works for you.

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And lo on Fri, 18 Jan 2008 03:20:08 -0000, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>  
did spake, saying:

> Phil Cook wrote:
>> Except WMM insists on outputting everything as wmv (or wma) at 25fps  
>> regardless of input
>
> I think I just used it to suck the DV off the camera. Maybe if you  
> actually edit it refuses to write it back out in anything other than  
> Windows formats. Yah, that sounds likely. :-)

It does doesn't it :-) I really wouldn't have minded too much as I quite  
like the wmv format (for internal stuff) I'm just miffed it didn't  
recognise the original input frame rate and duplicate it. Oh and again  
that their rotate function tries to keep the same height/width ie a  
640x480 rotated becomes a 640x480 - unbelievable.

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Invisible wrote:
> Well, *you* try finding software that will encode it. (Without paying
> money.) Plenty of decoders, no (free) encoders.

	Eh? mplayer has already been mentioned. I'd be surprised if transcode
doesn't do it either. Avidemux probably has this as well.

	And if you want DVD authoring, or a suite that will take video files
and create a DVD out of it (both the MPEG and structure), there are a
bunch around. Google for "tovid". Maybe a bit painful in the beginning,
but once you figure out the settings to use, just save them somewhere.

	Also google "any2dvd".

> And it's not just MPEG-2. A playable DVD requires a particular file
> structure and lots of metadata. (And a root menu...) I hear it's
> possible to build a usable video DVD using k3b, but after the first
> dozen pages of the HOWTO I decided it was just way too complicated.

	AFAIK, you can burn a video disc using k3b (and probably any burning
software). I didn't know k3b helps create that structure.

>>> Anybody know of something good for editing inbetween?
>>
>>   Something which doesn't cost humongous amounts of money? Nope.
> 
> Mmm, OK. I was kind of thinking that in this age of OSS almost
> everything seems to have a free implementation somewhere. Oh well...

	It all depends on what kind of editing you want. For very basic needs,
avidemux does the job well.

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Invisible wrote:
> somebody wrote:
> 
>> Editing is too generic a word. What exactly do you need to do?
> 
> Take several chunks of video. Cut 'em up. Stick them back together in a
> different order. Maybe remove bits or duplicate them. Repeat until it
> looks good.

	A bit heavy for avidemux's purposes (also only one file at a time). If
you're willing to do the work, you can use it to edit out the portions
you want from each file, save each portion to separate files, and in a
nice format, and use another tool to simply join them together.

	Google for "cinelerra". I've never used it, but have heard it can get
quite heavy on your computer.

	Other options (more regular PC friendly) that I've heard of, but not
used, and probably do what you want:

- Kdenlive
- Kino ("You can load multiple video clips, cut and paste portions of
video/audio...")
- Lives


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In article <op.t44buflic3xi7v@news.povray.org>, 
phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk says...
> And lo on Fri, 18 Jan 2008 04:11:33 -0000, Patrick Elliott  
> <sel### [at] rraznet> did spake, saying:
> 
> > In article <op.t42htmvic3xi7v@news.povray.org>,
> > phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk says...
> >> And lo on Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:37:28 -0000, Fredrik Eriksson
> >> <noo### [at] nowherecom> did spake, saying:
> >>
> >> > On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:25:23 +0100, Patrick Elliott <sel### [at] rrazne
t>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >> I wasn't sure if there was
> >> >> any way to use VirtualDub or one of the other free tools that exist
  
> >> >> to manage that.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I recall there being a 'rotate' filter in VirtualDub.
> >>
> >> Worship me for I can see the future :-P
> >>
> >> http://flipc.blogspot.com/2006/11/rotating-videos-virtual-dub-way.html
> >>
> > Awesome! Now I just have to get around to downloading VirtualDub again,
> > installing it on my dad's computer and then using it. lol
> 
> Hope it works for you.
> 
Well, looks like I also need to get the divx codec, or something again 
too. It sees, but won't open, several files I have on my own system, so 
probably won't open the ones from the camera either. Sigh... Just 
lovely. Though, mind you, its still better than the way they handled the 
software that *came* with the camera. It is "supposed" to integrate with 
some other software, with more features, but the data files that it 
saves is the **wrong** format for the other program, so it can't open 
and read the data in the project, so you can use that program to do 
anything to it. Its unbelievable how messed up they managed to make it.

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Patrick Elliott <sel### [at] rraznet> wrote:
> Well, looks like I also need to get the divx codec, or something again 
> too.

  In Windows I recommend the k-lite codec pack. It has everything and the
installer is well developed.

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Phil Cook wrote:
> And lo on Fri, 18 Jan 2008 03:20:08 -0000, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> 
> did spake, saying:
> 
>> Phil Cook wrote:
>>> Except WMM insists on outputting everything as wmv (or wma) at 25fps 
>>> regardless of input
>>
>> I think I just used it to suck the DV off the camera. Maybe if you 
>> actually edit it refuses to write it back out in anything other than 
>> Windows formats. Yah, that sounds likely. :-)
> 
> It does doesn't it :-) I really wouldn't have minded too much as I quite 
> like the wmv format (for internal stuff) I'm just miffed it didn't 
> recognise the original input frame rate and duplicate it. Oh and again 
> that their rotate function tries to keep the same height/width ie a 
> 640x480 rotated becomes a 640x480 - unbelievable.
> 


You can output to AVI as well.  Just choose to output to my computer and 
  select other settings.  The highest quality is dv-avi which is also 
the largest file size.  Or just fork over the $70.00 USD for Sony Vegas 
Movie Studio Platinum Edition.

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And lo on Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:10:25 -0000, Tom Galvin <tom### [at] impnospamorg>  
did spake, saying:

> Phil Cook wrote:
>> And lo on Fri, 18 Jan 2008 03:20:08 -0000, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>  
>> did spake, saying:
>>
>>> Phil Cook wrote:
>>>> Except WMM insists on outputting everything as wmv (or wma) at 25fps  
>>>> regardless of input
>>>
>>> I think I just used it to suck the DV off the camera. Maybe if you  
>>> actually edit it refuses to write it back out in anything other than  
>>> Windows formats. Yah, that sounds likely. :-)
>>  It does doesn't it :-) I really wouldn't have minded too much as I  
>> quite like the wmv format (for internal stuff) I'm just miffed it  
>> didn't recognise the original input frame rate and duplicate it. Oh and  
>> again that their rotate function tries to keep the same height/width ie  
>> a 640x480 rotated becomes a 640x480 - unbelievable.
>
> You can output to AVI as well.  Just choose to output to my computer and  
>   select other settings.  The highest quality is dv-avi which is also  
> the largest file size.  Or just fork over the $70.00 USD for Sony Vegas  
> Movie Studio Platinum Edition.

My apologies, taking another look at it you're correct. If you head into  
the 'show more options' then one of the 18 options availble allows output  
(for me) to AVI (PAL). It's still limited to 25fps though so I use  
VirtualDub and Prism instead.

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And lo on Sat, 19 Jan 2008 10:12:42 -0000, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> did  
spake, saying:

> Patrick Elliott <sel### [at] rraznet> wrote:
>> Well, looks like I also need to get the divx codec, or something again
>> too.
>
>   In Windows I recommend the k-lite codec pack. It has everything and the
> installer is well developed.

Seconded.

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> Well, *you* try finding software that will encode it. (Without paying 
> money.) Plenty of decoders, no (free) encoders.

I have always used open-source decoders and encoders after my TMPGEnc 
trial period finished. Finding MPEG2 encoders is easy.

> And it's not just MPEG-2. A playable DVD requires a particular file 
> structure and lots of metadata. (And a root menu...) I hear it's 
> possible to build a usable video DVD using k3b, but after the first 
> dozen pages of the HOWTO I decided it was just way too complicated.

Now, *that* is the hard part. And this is the reason why it's hard to 
find good and cheap software:

To develop a DVD application (software or hardware), one must first 
licence the particular book of DVD specifications from DVD Format/Logo 
Licensing Corporation, a Japanese corporation. The different DVD formats 
have different books; each book contains hundreds of pages and costs 
approximately $5000. After obtaining this licence, the developer is 
required to become a licensee which requires an additional fee. Without 
becoming a licensee, the book can be used only for reference, not for 
actual creation of DVD applications.

(source: wikipedia/"DVD authoring")

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