Warp wrote:
>   Maybe it's a bit of a counter-reaction (if not even an over-reaction)
> to the dangers of communism?

I think it's more corporations having more access to politicians than 
most people.

Employees definitely have a wide variety of rights here. Sure, not as 
many as in Europe.  But forcing the *potential* employer to tell you why 
you didn't get picked for a job isn't one of them. Honestly, I can't 
imagine what use it would be if people just said "we didn't hire you 
because the people who interviewed you didn't like you."

Employees can quit any time. Employers can fire you at any time. Unless 
you mutually agree. There are certain employers who can't fire you 
easily (mostly government) and certain employees who can't quit easily 
(mostly government) and unions and unemployment insurance and stuff like 
that.

But until you're actually employed, there aren't a whole lot of laws 
protecting you - mostly just anti-discrimination stuff, which apply 
pretty much equally to looking for jobs, buying houses, and so on.

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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> Employees can quit any time. Employers can fire you at any time.

  Here employees have to notify their employers one month in advance
before quitting. (I assume there might be some exceptions in very
special circumstances such as being physically incapable of working.)
Employers have to notify the employee three months in advance before
they fire him, and they can't fire him for any reason they want
(although, I would imagine, it shouldn't be difficult to come up with
a perfectly legal reason to do so). This is probably one of the reasons
why employers like to contract employees on limited job contracts only,
as they can just terminate the employment when the contract ends
(I suppose a job contract having a termination date is equivalent to
having announced the "firing" of the employee well in advance).

  Of course there are situations were employees can be "fired" right
away, without the 3-month warning, but those circumstances are usually
rather catastrophical (such as the company suddenly becoming bankcrupt).

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Darren New wrote:

> Ah, a Wilkinson letter.
> 
> "You have a very impressive resume. Unfortunately, we can't hire you at 
> this time."
> 
> The first sentence lifts you high, the second sentence snips you off 
> real close and smooth.

I recall seeing a quote somewhere about how dating and job interviews 
are quite similar, and how you'll get to know a girl who really likes 
you, yet goes out with everybody except you, but then calls you up to 
complain about them... Unfortunately (?) I don't remember where.

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Tom Austin wrote:

> It's the only smart thing to do - unless you are desperate.

I do sometimes worry I might end up working for one of those companies 
on The Daily WTF. I mean, sure, you read about them, but they must 
actually exist in reality somewhere - and I do NOT want to work for them!

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On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:13:53 +0100, Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> I recall seeing a quote somewhere about how dating and job interviews  
> are quite similar, and how you'll get to know a girl who really likes  
> you, yet goes out with everybody except you, but then calls you up to  
> complain about them... Unfortunately (?) I don't remember where.


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Warp wrote:
> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>> Employees can quit any time. Employers can fire you at any time.
> 
>   Here employees have to notify their employers one month in advance
> before quitting. 

What if they don't?  I mean, what if I just stop showing up for work and 
move to a different city? What happens to me?

> Employers have to notify the employee three months in advance before
> they fire him, and they can't fire him for any reason they want

Usually you don't get any particular warning, unless you're either 
unionized (i.e., the workers have a group contract with the employer, 
which is not uncommon) or the employer has already promised it.

You'll often get "severance pay", which is where the employer pays you 
to not come in to work for a while.  Many places will, for example, give 
you a week's pay or two for each year you've worked for them, when they 
fire you.

And of course there are illegal reasons to fire people, but the 
presumption is that it's legal to fire someone.

> (I suppose a job contract having a termination date is equivalent to
> having announced the "firing" of the employee well in advance).

Makes sense.

>   Of course there are situations were employees can be "fired" right
> away, without the 3-month warning, but those circumstances are usually
> rather catastrophical (such as the company suddenly becoming bankcrupt).

I'd expect the employee getting caught stealing or otherwise doing 
something seriously wrong would be another reason.

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>> Interesting. I didn't know that. (Does it also apply in the UK?)
>
> It sure as H doesn't in the USA! :-)

What happens if you feel you were racially/sexually/...lly discriminated 
against during the selection process?  Is there nothing you can do if the 
employer won't give you any reason why you weren't employed?

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> I'd expect the employee getting caught stealing or otherwise doing 
> something seriously wrong would be another reason.

In my employment contract it says that both the employer and the employee 
must give at least 3 months notice before terminating the contract.  It also 
says that under cases of gross misconduct the employer is allowed to 
terminate the contract immediately.  There's probably 100 other get-out 
clauses as well that I haven't bothered to read.

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> I do sometimes worry I might end up working for one of those companies 
> on The Daily WTF. I mean, sure, you read about them, but they must 
> actually exist in reality somewhere - and I do NOT want to work for them!

I thought you were already working for one of them? ;-)

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scott wrote:
>> I do sometimes worry I might end up working for one of those companies 
>> on The Daily WTF. I mean, sure, you read about them, but they must 
>> actually exist in reality somewhere - and I do NOT want to work for them!
> 
> I thought you were already working for one of them? ;-)

...OMG!!! 0_0

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