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Gail Shaw wrote:
> "Invisible" <voi### [at] dev null> wrote in message
>> [BTW, did you ever watch the "extended" versions of the three LotR
>> films? My God, they make *so* much more sense!
>
> Yes a few times, but seeing as I've read all the books more than once, they
> made sense anyway.
> Though there are long pieces in the movie that aren't in the books at all.
Speaking of which, did you get the feeling that the Dwarves were only
used in the movie for comic relief? I found it quite disrespectful.
Especially when the Elves show up in Helm's Deep - yay, so the Elves are
our friends, but the dwarves are too greedy and uncaring, or something.
The book specifically states that neither the Elves nor the Dwarves help
out the humans, simply because they are already being attacked by Sauron.
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nemesis wrote:
> hmm, come to think of it, Final Fantasy: Advent Child is pretty
> incomprehensible for non-fans too... seems like there are too many CG artists
> out there while most good story tellers are busy at Pixar...
That was a movie? I thought it was an ad for their new game.
Seriously though, it's not just incomprehensible... it's one of the
worst movies I have ever seen in my life.
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Chambers <ben### [at] pacificwebguycom> wrote:
> Seriously though, it's not just incomprehensible... it's one of the
> worst movies I have ever seen in my life.
yes, but the CG was top-notch! :)
and if you were a fan of the game, that final battle between Cloud and Sephiroh
was well worth it!
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And lo on Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:51:34 -0000, nemesis
<nam### [at] gmailcom> did spake, saying:
> Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>
>> Oh, is *that* why they went there? (And that's where "there" was...)
>
> I think that's pretty obvious, no? All that space ballet until they get
> to the
> moon and Dr. Floyd is told of the discovery... then, it cuts to a manned
> mission to Jupiter where the tripulants are actually unaware of the real
> mission, confided to HAL alone: to search for the giant monolith near
> the
> giant planet. Eventually, the crew's mission conflict with HAL's main
> mission
> and the AI becomes "paranoid", so to speak. The shit hits the fans and
> it's up
> to Dave to turn off HAL to save his life. In the process he discovers
> the real
> purpose and gets to the monolith to know the truth. The bad acid trip
> could be
> seen as the monolith opening a worm whole and getting Dave closer for
> inspection
> by the creators...
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic, but you've pretty much summed up
why in parts the film could be considered incomprehensible...
See the monolith teaches the apes how to build spaceships out of bone,
they use this to fly to the Moon where they've discovered another
monolith. Meanwhile on a flight to Jupiter the controlling computer goes
mad and starts singing "Daisy, Daisy" until the one member of crew who
hasn't died from bashing his head against the wall pulls the plug and
thereby discovers another huge monolith floating around Jupiter. Despite
declaring that "It's full of stars" is does in fact contain a small white
room in which an old man is looking at a baby. The End.
> the old man seeing the baby in the monolith is an alegory for the life
> cycle...
Yeah see Andrew, duh it's obviously an allegory for the life cycle. :-P
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Chambers <ben### [at] pacificwebguycom> wrote:
> Gail Shaw wrote:
....
> Speaking of which, did you get the feeling that the Dwarves were only
> used in the movie for comic relief? I found it quite disrespectful.
>
....
Not NEARLY as disrespectful as this little song form "Mr. Frito"
in Harvard Lampoon's "Bored of the Rings":
===============================================================
"A King of Elves there was of old,
Saranrap by name,
Who slew the Narcs at Mellowmarsh
And Sorhed's host did tame.
And with him marched the stubby dwarves
Drafted from their mines,
But when the fearsome Battle raged
They hid behind the lines.
Sing: Clearasil, metrecal, lavoris in chorus
They hid behind the lines!
Angered was the mighty King
About to raise the dickens,
'Just let me get my hands,' quoth he,
'On those half-pint chickens!'
Fearful were the chicken-Dwarves,
But mickle crafty too.
King Yellowbac, their skins to save,
The elves did try to woo.
Sing: Twist-a-cap, reynoldswrap, gardol and duz
The elves he tried to woo!
'If you doubt our loyalty,'
Yello told the King,
'Take this gift, a dwarfish sword
That packs a mighty sting.
'Clearasil, it's called by name,'
The clever Dwarf spoke on,
'Take this bribe, and let us let
Bygones be bygone.'
Sing: Cadillac, pickapack, Edsel and coke
Bygones be bygone.
'I accept this wondrous gift
And think you Dwarves are tops,'
Said he, as he took the sword
And smote him in the chops.
And since that day it's said by all
In ballad, lay and poem,
'Only trust an elf or dwarf
As far as you can throw 'em!'
Sing: Oxydol, geritol, wheaties and Trix.
As far as you can throw 'em!"
===============================================================
I'm afraid the Hobbits (Boggies) don't fare much better.:
===============================================================
"We boggies are a hairy folk
Who like to eat until we choke.
Loving all like friend and brother,
And hardly ever eat each other.
Ever hungry, ever thirsting,
Never stop till belly's bursting.
Chewing chop and pork and muttons,
A merry race of boring gluttons.
Sing: Gobble, goggle, gobble, gobble,
Gobble, gobble, gobble, gobble.
Boggies gather round the table,
Eat as much as you are able.
Gorge yourselves from moon till noon
(Don't forget your plate and spoon).
Anything edible, we've got dibs on,
And hope we all die with our bibs on.
Ever gay, we'll never grow up,
Come! And sing and play and throw up!
Sing: Gobble, gobble, gobble, gobble,
Gobble, gobble, gobble, gobble!"
===============================================================
The whole text is here:
http://denrob.freeshell.org/stories/bored.txt
(There may be a copyright issue. I don't really know.
I just stumbled on it.)
Watch our for the Nozdrul,
Mike C.
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Phil Cook wrote:
> Yeah see Andrew, duh it's obviously an allegory for the life cycle. :-P
In seriousness for a moment...
My sister did media studies at school. Apparently she can no longer
actually enjoy a film without considering an in-depth analysis of the
plot devices used.
I remember we were watching The Lion King once. [Damn, that film should
have been really cool... but somehow isn't.] Simba walks to the top of
pride rock, and you see a split-second clip of some water washing away
an antilope skull. "That's a representation of the changing equilibrium
of good and evil" my sister tells me. "...Oh" I said.
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"Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
> And lo on Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:51:34 -0000, nemesis
> <nam### [at] gmailcom> did spake, saying:
>
> > Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> >
> >> Oh, is *that* why they went there? (And that's where "there" was...)
> >
> > I think that's pretty obvious, no? All that space ballet until they get
> > to the
> > moon and Dr. Floyd is told of the discovery... then, it cuts to a manned
> > mission to Jupiter where the tripulants are actually unaware of the real
> > mission, confided to HAL alone: to search for the giant monolith near
> > the
> > giant planet. Eventually, the crew's mission conflict with HAL's main
> > mission
> > and the AI becomes "paranoid", so to speak. The shit hits the fans and
> > it's up
> > to Dave to turn off HAL to save his life. In the process he discovers
> > the real
> > purpose and gets to the monolith to know the truth. The bad acid trip
> > could be
> > seen as the monolith opening a worm whole and getting Dave closer for
> > inspection
> > by the creators...
>
> I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic
I was not. I just described the plot.
> See the monolith teaches the apes how to build spaceships out of bone,
no, the monolith instigates curiosity and spark of intelligence grews around the
apes around it. It shows afterward first contact, they learning and mastering
how to use a tool and them a poetic license is used by showing the tool -- a
bone -- being throw high by the monkey and then the scene cuts to the future
and a space ship, result of countless years of tool-making by the intelligent
race. Is it so hard to get it from the movie?
I guess some people have trouble with continuity in non-linear plots... for
instance, I showed my ex-wife this strip:
http://pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF162-Executive_Decision.jpg
and she had trouble figuring it out...
> Meanwhile on a flight to Jupiter the controlling computer goes
> mad and starts singing "Daisy, Daisy" until the one member of crew who
> hasn't died from bashing his head against the wall pulls the plug and
that's sarcasm.
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nemesis <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> if you want a really incomprehensible movie
I have heard good things about Eraserhead. Never seen it, though.
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Chambers <ben### [at] pacificwebguycom> wrote:
> it's one of the
> worst movies I have ever seen in my life.
Then you haven't seen many movies, have you?
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And lo on Fri, 04 Jan 2008 16:48:24 -0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> did
spake, saying:
> Phil Cook wrote:
>
>> Yeah see Andrew, duh it's obviously an allegory for the life cycle. :-P
>
> In seriousness for a moment...
>
> My sister did media studies at school. Apparently she can no longer
> actually enjoy a film without considering an in-depth analysis of the
> plot devices used.
>
> I remember we were watching The Lion King once. [Damn, that film should
> have been really cool... but somehow isn't.] Simba walks to the top of
> pride rock, and you see a split-second clip of some water washing away
> an antilope skull. "That's a representation of the changing equilibrium
> of good and evil" my sister tells me. "...Oh" I said.
Those wacky Disney animators I can imagine them now...
"Okay so Simba is going to walk to the top of Pride Rock, now we need some
sort of visual cue to represent the changing equilibrium of good and evil
- suggestions"
"How about some water washing away an antelope skull?"
"Hmm don't you think that's a bit obvious?"
"Well we are aiming at the 5-10 age bracket"
"True. Okay we'll try that. Now next on the agenda spelling out suggestive
words in clouds of dust..."
--
Phil Cook
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