On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 21:59:36 +0000, St. wrote:

> "Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
> news:475c6347@news.povray.org...
>> On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 21:10:59 +0000, St. wrote:
>>
>>>     Ham...bur...gers...
>>>
>>>     Want... three...
>>>
>>>     or 4...
>>
>> We were going to make some last night, but it got to be too late to get
>> started...
> 
>      It reminds me of when I was kid and we 'always' called them
>      hamburgers.
> Now you never hear it, it's always 'beefburgers' here.

LOL, ain't that the truth.  Ours are made with red onion and dijon 
mustard.  And they're not 1/4 pound, either, they're more like half-pound 
(more like meatloaf on a bun as well).

Now I'm getting hungry.

>> Which reminds me, if I'm going to make bread today (first attempt
>> ever), I'd better get started... :-)
> 
>     Mmmm... the smell of fresh-baked bread is to die for... The same as
> fresh cut grass, (for me anyway).
> 
>      Good luck and enjoy!  :o)

Here's hoping. -)

Jim

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On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 17:13:51 -0500, nemesis wrote:

> some babies and children just enjoy crying.  I see no other possible
> explanation for it.  It doesn't matter how much love, tenderness,
> attention, dialoguing, appeals to reasoning or toys I give to my
> daughter:  when it's cry time, it's cry time.  and no, it's no known
> medical condition...

There's *always* a reason; crying is a means of communication.  Babies 
just don't know how to communicate what's wrong in a way that we can 
understand (yet).

My wife's approach was to treat Ken (when he was a baby) like an alien - 
he knew what he needed or wanted, but couldn't tell her.

That was a key part of his survival; he had colic as a baby, which meant 
that he spent a lot of time crying for no apparent reason.

Just because there isn't a known medical condition for it today doesn't 
mean that there is no reason for it.

Jim

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 06:39:36 -0500, Warp wrote:
> 
>> andrel <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>>> I am not an expert (no kids myself and only one grandson)
>>   I have hard time figuring out how that is even possible...
> 
> Stepkids.
> 
> I have a stepson, no kids of my own, though.  Over the years, I've been 
> more of a father than his biological father (who has finally started 
> taking an interest again - now that Ken's 20 and he's off the hook 
> financially for child support etc), but when Ken has a child, that child 
> will likely identify me as their grandparent, even though biologically 
> it's not the case.
> 
> That's the only way I can work it out for Andrel.
> 
Correct. I though I told that story already a couple of times. Either 
that made me not repeat it again or the fact that it has become 
completely normal to me, so I don't notice anymore it is somewhat 
strange. In my case we still have a reasonable relation with the father 
of my daughter. I met her when she was about 18 or so, so I did not see 
her growing up. My grandson is now 4 years old, and stays one or more 
days a week with us. He is my first experience with growing up children.

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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 06:39:36 -0500, Warp wrote:

> > andrel <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> >> I am not an expert (no kids myself and only one grandson)
> > 
> >   I have hard time figuring out how that is even possible...

> Stepkids.

  Hmm, I still find it a bit paradoxical to say "I have no son/daughter,
but I have a grandson".

  Is the son of a stepchild considered more familial than the stepchild?-)

-- 
                                                          - Warp

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St. wrote:
> "Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message 
> 
>> Which reminds me, if I'm going to make bread today (first attempt ever),
>> I'd better get started... :-)
> 
>     Mmmm... the smell of fresh-baked bread is to die for... The same as 
> fresh cut grass, (for me anyway).

Do you have some cow in your ancestry?

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On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 23:44:27 +0100, andrel wrote:

> Correct. I though I told that story already a couple of times. Either
> that made me not repeat it again or the fact that it has become
> completely normal to me, so I don't notice anymore it is somewhat
> strange. In my case we still have a reasonable relation with the father
> of my daughter. I met her when she was about 18 or so, so I did not see
> her growing up. My grandson is now 4 years old, and stays one or more
> days a week with us. He is my first experience with growing up children.

In fact, I think I remember you and I talking about it before because in 
that regard, our situation is somewhat similar. :-)

Jim

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Warp wrote:
> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>> On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 06:39:36 -0500, Warp wrote:
> 
>>> andrel <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>>>> I am not an expert (no kids myself and only one grandson)
>>>   I have hard time figuring out how that is even possible...
> 
>> Stepkids.
> 
>   Hmm, I still find it a bit paradoxical to say "I have no son/daughter,
> but I have a grandson".
> 
>   Is the son of a stepchild considered more familial than the stepchild?-)
> 
Depends on the age of the stepchild, I guess. If you raise it from a 
very early stage it feels like your own kid. If, like me, you first meet 
it when it more or less already left home and started an independent 
life, you don't develop a parent/child relation. OTOH I have seen Younes 
grow up, so we do have a grandfather/grandchild relation.

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On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 18:01:52 -0500, Warp wrote:

> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>> On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 06:39:36 -0500, Warp wrote:
> 
>> > andrel <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>> >> I am not an expert (no kids myself and only one grandson)
>> > 
>> >   I have hard time figuring out how that is even possible...
> 
>> Stepkids.
> 
>   Hmm, I still find it a bit paradoxical to say "I have no son/daughter,
> but I have a grandson".

Perhaps from a logical standpoint, but since when are kids logical? ;-)

>   Is the son of a stepchild considered more familial than the
>   stepchild?-)

As a stepparent myself, I can understand what Andrel is saying - because 
my experience was with Ken from the age of 9 (and for Andrel, his 
stepdaughter from the age of 18), we missed out on raising a child from 
an infant.  So there are experiences for us as stepparents that are new 
with a grandchild that aren't for parents who raise a child from infancy.

For my own experience, I told Ken from the very start that I did not see 
my role as one of replacing his father.  The fact that it has turned out 
that way in many respects was not by my design, but rather from his 
father's apparent lack of interest in being involved in Ken's life until 
just recently (it's perhaps cynical of me to say 'now that he's 
financially off the hook', but I find it an interesting coincidence if 
that wasn't by *his* design, especially given that he quit jobs so he 
could get out of paying child support).

Ken coined the term "Assistant Dad" to describe me when he was about 10.  
He calls me "Jim" instead of "Dad", which I'm perfectly fine with; but 
when he has kids, I imagine he'll talk to his kids about me as "Grandpa 
Jim", just as he referred to my father as "Grandpa Ole".

Jim

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On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:04:12 +0100, andrel wrote:

> St. wrote:
>> "Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
>> 
>>> Which reminds me, if I'm going to make bread today (first attempt
>>> ever), I'd better get started... :-)
>> 
>>     Mmmm... the smell of fresh-baked bread is to die for... The same as
>> fresh cut grass, (for me anyway).
> 
> Do you have some cow in your ancestry?

LALOL!  I guess I must as well, because I really like both of those 
smells, too. :-)

Jim

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 21:59:36 +0000, St. wrote:
> 
>> "Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
>> news:475c6347@news.povray.org...
>>> On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 21:10:59 +0000, St. wrote:
>>>
>>>>     Ham...bur...gers...
>>>>
>>>>     Want... three...
>>>>
>>>>     or 4...
>>> We were going to make some last night, but it got to be too late to get
>>> started...
>>      It reminds me of when I was kid and we 'always' called them
>>      hamburgers.
>> Now you never hear it, it's always 'beefburgers' here.
> 
> LOL, ain't that the truth.  Ours are made with red onion and dijon 
> mustard.  And they're not 1/4 pound, either, they're more like half-pound 
> (more like meatloaf on a bun as well).
> 
> Now I'm getting hungry.
> 

You guys are making me hungry, and I haven't even really woken up. Time
to fire up the stove, carrot soup seems right for this weather.

>>> Which reminds me, if I'm going to make bread today (first attempt
>>> ever), I'd better get started... :-)
>>     Mmmm... the smell of fresh-baked bread is to die for... The same as
>> fresh cut grass, (for me anyway).

Fresh cut grass? Okay, that might have just ruined my appetite.

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