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From: scott
Subject: Re: Windows 8
Date: 15 Apr 2013 04:40:06
Message: <516bbce6@news.povray.org>
>> Can't you install the same OS that was on your old machine on the new
>> one? Then delete it off the old one (or maybe just not using it is
>> enough to satisfy the license terms?).
>
> No, Windows as to Version 7 needs to be activated, which means that your
> MAC-adress and other system specific numbers have to be registrated. Some
> changes were allowed (a new hard drive e.g.), but not a new machine.

If you bought the OS and have the original installation media then you 
are allowed to transfer the license to a completely new machine. I 
recently did exactly this with Windows 7 and it installed and activated 
with no problems at all (not even a call to Microsoft).


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: Windows 8
Date: 15 Apr 2013 18:19:25
Message: <516c7ced@news.povray.org>

> Alain <kua### [at] videotronca> wrote:
>> Take a look at "remove WAT".
>> It totaly, and safely, remove the Windows Activation Technology and make
>> your installations appears as been legitimately activated.
>
> Is this legal?
>
>
>

It's /gray/...
It can be used legaly if your legitimate registration becomes 
unrecognised for whatever reason.
It's also legal if you have a genuine install media and, for whatever 
reason, don't want microsoft to get any of your information.


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Windows 8
Date: 17 Apr 2013 13:55:25
Message: <516ee20d$1@news.povray.org>
Am 16.04.2013 00:19, schrieb Alain:

>> Alain <kua### [at] videotronca> wrote:
>>> Take a look at "remove WAT".
>>> It totaly, and safely, remove the Windows Activation Technology and make
>>> your installations appears as been legitimately activated.
>>
>> Is this legal?
>>
>>
>>
>
> It's /gray/...
> It can be used legaly if your legitimate registration becomes
> unrecognised for whatever reason.
> It's also legal if you have a genuine install media and, for whatever
> reason, don't want microsoft to get any of your information.

I suspect it also depends on which country you live in.


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Windows 8
Date: 17 Apr 2013 14:05:49
Message: <516ee47d$1@news.povray.org>
Am 14.04.2013 13:28, schrieb Warp:
> Le_Forgeron <jgr### [at] freefr> wrote:
>> IMHO, it's a shortcut: some new motherboard came now with UEFI which
>> aims (and succeed) at forbidding installation of non-authorized OS.
>
> I cannot fathom what possible gain could there be for the motherboard
> manufacturer to do that.
>
> "Hey, I need a new motherboard for my linux machine, and was looking at
> yours."
> "Sorry, our motherboard doesn't allow you to install linux."
> "Well, then I'll buy a motherboard from someone else."
>
> Step 2: ???
> Step 3: Make profit?
>
> I don't get it.

I suspect it's rather a feature that OEMs can choose to activate or not, 
but that needs to be active (and locked down) for Windows 8 to run with 
certain inexpensive OEM licenses.


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From: MichaelJF
Subject: Re: Windows 8
Date: 17 Apr 2013 15:15:00
Message: <web.516ef470c40b10bf585ed6a30@news.povray.org>
Usually one gets no system disks nowadays but has to burn a system mirror to
disk as soon as you have a new machine. Of course I did that. Since Suse wasn't
able to repartition  my hard drive I allowed it full control (what means erasing
windows completely. I restored it later from this disks). The Problem with Suse
seems to be one with the grafic engine. I only could get rid of the Grub by
installing another Linux Version (Fedora) and then I was able to restore
Windows. Fedora showed the same problems as Suse having a split screen after
first reboot. May be I must look for an option to invoke sax during the
Installation.

Best regards,
Michael


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From: Cousin Ricky
Subject: Re: Windows 8
Date: 17 Apr 2013 21:15:01
Message: <web.516f47e9c40b10bf78641e0c0@news.povray.org>
"MichaelJF" <mi-### [at] t-onlinede> wrote:
> Usually one gets no system disks nowadays but has to burn a system mirror to
> disk as soon as you have a new machine. Of course I did that. Since Suse wasn't
> able to repartition  my hard drive I allowed it full control (what means erasing
> windows completely. I restored it later from this disks). The Problem with Suse
> seems to be one with the grafic engine. I only could get rid of the Grub by
> installing another Linux Version (Fedora) and then I was able to restore
> Windows. Fedora showed the same problems as Suse having a split screen after
> first reboot. May be I must look for an option to invoke sax during the
> Installation.

I used EasyUS (www.partition-tool.com) to shrink the main Windows partition
before installing Linux.  After that, openSUSE installed with peaceful
coexistence.


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From: MichaelJF
Subject: Re: Windows 8
Date: 18 Apr 2013 15:05:03
Message: <web.517043b7c40b10bfaac53320@news.povray.org>
"Cousin Ricky" <rickysttATyahooDOTcom> wrote:
> "MichaelJF" <mi-### [at] t-onlinede> wrote:
> > Usually one gets no system disks nowadays but has to burn a system mirror to
> > disk as soon as you have a new machine. Of course I did that. Since Suse wasn't
> > able to repartition  my hard drive I allowed it full control (what means erasing
> > windows completely. I restored it later from this disks). The Problem with Suse
> > seems to be one with the grafic engine. I only could get rid of the Grub by
> > installing another Linux Version (Fedora) and then I was able to restore
> > Windows. Fedora showed the same problems as Suse having a split screen after
> > first reboot. May be I must look for an option to invoke sax during the
> > Installation.
>
> I used EasyUS (www.partition-tool.com) to shrink the main Windows partition
> before installing Linux.  After that, openSUSE installed with peaceful
> coexistence.

Thanks again for the hint. In the mean time I found what I was looking for
within windows. The preferences for handedness are only available within the
"Desktop"-tile but not generally at this new start page with this awful tiles.
So I ever run into the "devices" section and there into a request to register a
Microsoft account. May be I was a Little bit to confused by the new optic to
overlook this simple button or may be I suffered from a severe brain damage. But
since it is very useful to have both systems running I will give Suse another
try at the weekend.

My previous and now defunct machine was the first for over some 20 years I had
with no Suse installed. With the partitioning my experience so far is that it is
better to have Windows do it itself. Usually this works. But I had more pressing
interests last days and now I will relax a Little bit.


Best regards,
Michael


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From: Cousin Ricky
Subject: Re: Windows 8
Date: 19 Apr 2013 12:15:02
Message: <web.51716cc3c40b10bf78641e0c0@news.povray.org>
"MichaelJF" <mi-### [at] t-onlinede> wrote:
>  With the partitioning my experience so far is that it is
> better to have Windows do it itself. Usually this works.

This was not possible for me.  Windows had conveniently placed some immovable
blocks near the far end of the disk, and adamantly refused to shrink the
partition.

OTOH, it /was/ necessary to shrink the partition from within Windows /before/
starting the Linux installation, hence my need for a third-party tool.

In a Web page explaining GRUB, the author mentioned that Windows assumes that
it's the only operating system on Earth.  (Micro$oft can afford to do that.
Back when I was working in NE Massachusetts, not far from Wang Labs, Wang took
the attitude that it was Micro$oft's responsibility to make its software
compatible with Wang, and not the other way around.  HA!  See where Wang is
today.)


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From: MichaelJF
Subject: Re: Windows 8
Date: 19 Apr 2013 17:25:01
Message: <web.5171b5e1c40b10bf30befd9c0@news.povray.org>
"Cousin Ricky" <rickysttATyahooDOTcom> wrote:
> "MichaelJF" <mi-### [at] t-onlinede> wrote:
> >  With the partitioning my experience so far is that it is
> > better to have Windows do it itself. Usually this works.
>
> This was not possible for me.  Windows had conveniently placed some immovable
> blocks near the far end of the disk, and adamantly refused to shrink the
> partition.
>
Yes, Microsoft tries to do that, but I never experiecened this at that scale. As
I mentioned my last Suse Installation was some years ago. I experienced that
Windows allowed for only a part of the hard drive for other systems due to this
block issue and occupied much more than was needed to run Windows, but it was
quiet enough to run Suse (if I remember right, windows "needed" a third of a
Terabyte-harddrive, so 2/3 were free for Linux). May be they have changed this
policy.

One of the reasons why I didn't tried Suse again with my last private machine
was that especially the problem of handedness wasn't really implented with Suse.
One can chance the mouse from right to left within the kde but not all programs
(even kde-programs) uses this settings. So you have a GUI which is left handed
but some programs (e.g. the file manager) are still right handed, ignoring the
kde settings completelly. I experienced this again just yesterday with an older
nachine I have Suse (11.3) running. But since I was trained to be right handed
during my youth and experienced later that I was left handed originally, I can
cope with this but it is not convenient.

Best regards,
Michael


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From: Urs Holzer
Subject: Re: Windows 8
Date: 20 Apr 2013 07:04:29
Message: <5172763d@news.povray.org>
MichaelJF wrote:
> One of the reasons why I didn't tried Suse again with my last private
> machine was that especially the problem of handedness wasn't really
> implented with Suse. One can chance the mouse from right to left
> within the kde but not all programs (even kde-programs) uses this
> settings. So you have a GUI which is left handed but some programs
> (e.g. the file manager) are still right handed, ignoring the kde
> settings completelly. I experienced this again just yesterday with an
> older nachine I have Suse (11.3) running. But since I was trained to
> be right handed during my youth and experienced later that I was left
> handed originally, I can cope with this but it is not convenient.

It should be possible to change that in the configuration of the X-
Server (given Suse does not yet use wayland). Depending on which version 
of the X-Server you have and which mouse driver is in use, it works a 
little bit differently.

See for example (execute this command in a shell)
  man 4 evdev
There you can read this:

       Option "ButtonMapping" "string"
              Sets  the  button mapping for this device. The mapping
              is a space-separated list of button mappings that cor‐
              respond in order to the physical buttons on the device
              (i.e. the first number is the mapping  for  button  1,
              etc.).  The  default mapping is "1 2 3 ... 32". A map‐
              ping of 0 deactivates the button. Multiple buttons can
              have  the  same  mapping.   For example, a left-handed
              mouse with deactivated scroll-wheel would use  a  map‐
              ping  of "3 2 1 0 0". Invalid mappings are ignored and
              the default mapping is used. Buttons not specified  in
              the user's mapping use the default mapping.

In this case, you would probably put a file mouse.conf in 
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d containing this:

       Section "InputDevice"
         Identifier "mouse"
         Driver "evdev"
         Option "Device"   "/dev/???"
         Option "ButtonMapping" "3 2 1"
       EndSection

(Older X-Server's need this section in the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf. Just 
look wich one of the two already exists. Also see 'man xorg.conf'.)

Note that I don't know what ??? should be. You have to look that up in 
the X-Server's log file (/var/log/xorg.log or similar). There you also 
see whether it really uses the evdev driver as I assumed. I can help you 
with this, if you want. (You can contact me directly per mail for this.)

On the other hand, one would hope that Suse's configuration tool (is it 
still called yast?) contains a section for the X-Server. Maybe there is 
somewhere another option for left-handed mouses hidden?

Greetings
Urs


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