Arttu Voutilainen <bli### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid> wrote:
> Also IIRC you should be able to get Windows support linux's filesystems
> (at least ext3 or 2, or both), but I never managed to get that working.
> The drivers just crashed for me every time I tried.. According to Eero
> it should be possible, though.

I've done this successfully by using the driver from http://www.fs-driver.org/
It only supports ext2, but since ext3 is backwards compatible with ext2 it
doesn't wreak much havoc. If you do changes though, the ext3 journal (?) must
be built up when you boot into linux again.. So it will take a little time for
a large drive.
Also I had some minor problems with some ISO stuff about non-english characters.

But, all in all, a great tool if you are dualbooting.

Tried XP 64-bit a few years back, but the drivers were not that good at the
time. 64-bit Linux is great though, it might be my imagination, but it feels
quite a bit faster.

-Peter

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William Tracy wrote:
> 
> While I'm drifting off topic :-) does anybody know how well Windows
> tolerates having applications installed to removable media? I've been
> looking at one of those newfangled flash-based laptops for a family
> member, but I don't know if she can fit all her software into four gigs.
> :-(
> 
If you're talking about the Asus eee, then it's Linux. So you've had it
if you're trying to put Windows apps into it. It's worth remembering
these things are built for quick mobile computing and internet access
not serious computing. However, having said that I've played with a
couple and for what they cost and offer they're good value for money

John

-- 
I will be brief but not nearly so brief as Salvador Dali, who gave the
world's shortest speech. He said, "I will be so brief I am already
finished," then he sat down.

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Doctor John wrote:
> If you're talking about the Asus eee, then it's Linux. So you've had it
> if you're trying to put Windows apps into it.

I'm thinking of getting one for my sister, and I'm worried that she'll 
immediately want me to put Windows XP on it. :-P She can get around in 
Linux, but I'm not sure that I've made a convert yet.

> However, having said that I've played with a
> couple and for what they cost and offer they're good value for money

That's what I thought when I looked at the specs. The amount of RAM is 
plenty, the processor looks fast enough if you're not doing POV ;-) but 
I'm on the fence about whether the flash drive offers enough space.

I haven't been able to physically get my hands one one yet. :-(

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William Tracy
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freeway. It was a very exciting learning experience.
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William Tracy wrote:
> Larry Hudson wrote:
> 
>> For my secondary drive I use removable drives.  I have three different 
>> drives I can plug in (only one at a time, of course).
>>  (I like to play with different Linux distros...    :-)
> 
> 
> Are we talking about USB drives? What's the price/specs? :-)
> 
No, they're IDE drives.  The way this works is that the drives are 
mounted inside holders that plug in and out of an adapter in the 
computer.  They have a lock that is both a physical lock (so they can't 
be unplugged accidentally) and a power switch (for that drive).  Of 
course, you only swap them when the computer power is off.

As to size/price -- mine are all 120GB, and IIRC the price was somewhere 
around $70-$80 (US).  But I also have an external 200GB USB I use mostly 
for backups and music files.  (These music files are mostly MP3s I have 
made from my rather large (and old) collection of LPs.  Still working on 
converting more, however.  I might even finish someday.)   ;-)

> It's been a while since I last got adventurous with Linux distros (I 
> settled into Ubuntu and Debian) but I might give it another go sometime.
> 
If you _really_ want to get adventurous, check out LFS -- Linux From 
Scratch (linuxfromscratch.org).  With this you install EVERYTHING by 
compiling from source!  I tried it once but ran into some problems 
(probably my own fault) and didn't get it completed.  But I do intend to 
try again sometime.  It's a very interesting project.  As I said in my 
earlier post -- I'm weird and geeky.     ;-)

However, I primarily use Fedora.  I think I would go with Debian as my 
second choice, but Ubuntu is good too.

> While I'm drifting off topic :-) does anybody know how well Windows 
> tolerates having applications installed to removable media? I've been 
> looking at one of those newfangled flash-based laptops for a family 
> member, but I don't know if she can fit all her software into four gigs. 
> :-(
> 
Yep, really OT...  I don't think there would be any problems.  If you 
try to run a program that's on a drive that's not currently plugged in, 
Windows would just come up with its 'scanning-flashlight, searching' 
box.  But it shouldn't harm anything.  In Windows, I use my swappable 
hard drives mostly for data only, but I have a few programs on them 
which run with no problems.

      -=- Larry -=-

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Larry Hudson wrote:
> If you _really_ want to get adventurous, check out LFS -- Linux From 
> Scratch (linuxfromscratch.org).

Actually, that was next on "to try" list. It should be fun getting Wifi 
running. ;-)

> Yep, really OT...  I don't think there would be any problems.  If you 
> try to run a program that's on a drive that's not currently plugged in, 
> Windows would just come up with its 'scanning-flashlight, searching' 
> box.

Cool.

Okay, I'm done dragging this off topic. ;-)

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differently from when you expect to live only twenty.
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On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:07:50 -0700, Larry Hudson wrote:

> FWIW, I use System Commander as my boot manager, much easier to use for
> large numbers of OS's.  Especially with the removable drives -- it
> detects the changes automatically.

Wow, another System Commander user - I have a copy around here 
*somewhere* (generally don't need more than 2 OSes any more these days 
myself).  :-)

Jim

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"William Tracy" <wtr### [at] calpolyedu> wrote in message 
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>
> While I'm drifting off topic :-) does anybody know how well 
> Windows tolerates having applications installed to removable 
> media? I've been looking at one of those newfangled flash-based 
> laptops for a family member, but I don't know if she can fit all 
> her software into four gigs. :-(
>

portableapps.com

Put them on a USB stick, put them on a hot swap drive,

etc.

Windows registry don't even know the apps are there.
All your data is portable too.

Lots of portable work is done for MSWin and other
OSs.

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"Doctor John" <doc### [at] gmailcom> schreef in bericht 
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> -- 
> I will be brief but not nearly so brief as Salvador Dali, who gave the
> world's shortest speech. He said, "I will be so brief I am already
> finished," then he sat down.

OT of course, but the briefest would be: <standing up> "Thank you for your 
attention." <sitting down>     :-)

Thomas

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pan wrote:
> portableapps.com
> 
> Put them on a USB stick, put them on a hot swap drive,

*Nice*.

Thanks! :-)

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William Tracy
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     -- Kim Stanley Robinson, _Red Mars_

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:03:31 -0500, Mike the Elder wrote:
> 
>> Many thanks to all.
>>
>> My next investment is going to be a second hard drive from which to boot
>> 64 bit Linux.
> 
> BTW, you don't need a second hard drive, separate partitions is just fine.

Although it is not actually needed, I would recommend a Linux newbie to
install Linux on a second HD (e.g. 20GB or more).

That's because he might want to boot from the Windows install CD later.
And before doing that it is nice to be able to unplug the Linux HD, so
that Windows does not mess up the boot partition (that Linux uses for
dual booting).

Mike:
When Windows has been set up on the first HD, just plug in the second
HD and let the Linux installation program discover Windows on the first
HD and then set up dual booting from the second HD. That way the boot
sector on first HD will be untouched by Linux and Windows won't notice
that Linux is living alongside it on another HD. (If you now remove the
second HD, Windows will be able to boot itself from the first HD.)

-- 
Tor Olav
http://subcube.com

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