IMBJR <no### [at] spamhere> wrote in
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>>
>>Just think of this server as one those islands of
>>civility.  It certianly has an amazing gallery.
> 
> Comparing this place with NYC's finest is a joke.
> 

The highlights of my trip to Europe last month, were the Louvre, MontMarte 
at night, dinner with Apache, and lunch with Gilles.  It was a trip I will 
long remember.  IMHO, this is a community with amazing people.


That reminds me... 

Jim...you there? 

Are you gonna be at the NYCMG meeting next week? 

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IMBJR wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 12:36:15 -0800, "Chambers"
> <bdc### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
>
>> "IMBJR" <no### [at] spamhere> wrote in message
>> news:b8as40d47rtbrt8ih37iq1imnhvt7dckqo@4ax.com...
>>> Don't kid yourself that this is a community. A community happens in
>>> "meatspace", face to face, in real buildings with real progress.
>>> This is merely a exchange of data.
>>
>> I will take personal offense at this.
>>
>> This *is* a community.  The individuals here are more intelligent,
>> capable, considerate, helpful and productive than any other group I
>> have known.  This community produces incredible artwork, as well as
>> the tools to create it.  I am proud of the fact that I am allowed a
>> space here in these forums*, and I don't appreciate your attitude in
>> this respect.
>
> Believe you me, comparing this news server and it contents to a
> community is inaccurate to say the least.

Look up community in the dictionary "A group of people having common
interests" seems to crop up.

> People here post images, binaries, bits of POV code. They critique
> images and points of view. Share ideas on POV-Ray and its satellites
> of software. Some even discuss off-topic stuff like on the rest of
> usenet.

Sounds just like a community to me.

> In a real "meatspace" community the depth of interaction makes the
> above list of activitys look extremely small. The true personal touch
> is where community is really at. This is merely a digital facimile of
> a community, and as such does not go to the nth degree.
>
> Try comparing this place and its sister groups to, say, a village or a
> city - both communities of differing scale. That will ensure that one
> will see that this is a merely drop in the ocean of human interaction.

How many people in your village/town/city have you spoken to about POV?  I
think this community is far better than my "real-life" one for discussing
POV.

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IMBJR wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 13:59:40 -0800, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>
> wrote:
>
>> IMBJR wrote:
>>> Costs? The software can be sourced freely. Just because you've been
>>> bitten by software does not mean we all have.
>>
>> And just because I've been bitten by software doesn't mean I'm lazy.
>
> I've got you in love with that word "lazy", no?
>
> But seriously, again I say, just because you've had bad experiences
> with software in the past is no sign that it will happen again, either
> for you or others. Shying away from the new because of the old is not
> going to get you far. Sure we all to a degree do not like progress,
> but progress is always present.

Indeed, but IME it's safest to let other people do the initial "progress"
and let them face all the problems.  I'll take up any new technology later
after all the problems have been ironed out and I don't have to waste my
time fiddling about.

This J2K case is a perfect example.  Do I bother to download extra software
and have to spend extra time converting each image to view it on my
computer, risk the software doing something nasty to my machine, and the
massive risk that most people won't be able to see my images?  Ok, so J2K is
a better format technically, but I'm not going to use it until it is the
"norm".

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IMBJR wrote this:
> You've also got to learn to think things through.

after having written this:
> I AM OUT OF RANGE OF BROADBAND. I CANNOT USE IT.

What you meant to say was you were out of range of ADSL from your local
exchange.  We have broadband installed and we are almost 10 miles from the
exchange.

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"IMBJR" <no### [at] spamhere> wrote in message
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> Try comparing this place and its sister groups to, say, a village or a
> city - both communities of differing scale. That will ensure that one
> will see that this is a merely drop in the ocean of human interaction.

I live in a city of approx. 500k residents, and I lived in a city of 6m
residents for 2 years.  I never saw anywhere near the "community"
interaction that occurs here.  I know the names of only one other couple in
my apartment building.  Modern suburbia has killed the concept of
"community".  So don't try to say that a large city is a community and these
forums are not.

As for a village, I couldn't say because I've never seen a real one.  I
don't know if any even exist, at least here in the Pacific NW.

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On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 01:02:08 +0100, andrel <a_l### [at] hotmailcom>
wrote:

>
>>>>
>>>>People are rude me, I respond in kind. Seems we are all in breach of
>>>>that rather vague AUP.
>>>
>>>That again is not true, you responded rude to various people that
>>>were not rude to you. May be you though that they were rude, but
>>>more often than not _I_ could not see it. For me most of your
>>>attacks came totally out of the blue.
>> 
>> 
>> You obviously are missing the full context. I suggest you re-read the
>> thread and you will see this did not appear out-of-the-blue.
>Sorry to disappoint you, the world is a better place than you
>think it is.

Try telling that to the Palestinians, the Chechians, the this the
that. Sorry. No doughnut.

> Most of it is still out of the blue for me. You
>have been attacking people who made totally innocent remarkt.
>Either you or me has a totally distorted view of the world.

Probably both, I would imagine.

>> That's why people debate, because of differences!
>Sometimes. But if the problem is in definition of a
>certain term, my experience is that any discussion is
>pointless untill you agree on the meaning of a term.

The philsopher's way out eh? Let's get mired in semantics and get no
place fast.

>> 
>> Strange how you did not get the replies you wanted though, isn't it?
>No, and I do not understand this remark. It feels as if you
>try to imply that I wanted you react in a certain way. 

Your feelings do not betray you.

>That
>is precisely what I did not wanted. Believe me, I mean what
>I say, without any hidden agendas. Basically I am just a naive
>guy who thinks the world is full of nice people and treats everybody
>as if they are. 

If only it were. But surely you read the papers?

>You will be surprised at the number of times I
>have been disappointed in others (my best estimate would be
>3-5 times in my entire live, but I may be just lucky with
>my friends, relatives, and coworkers).

I dunno, I would have thought that's about the going rate.

><sigh> I don't see why. Unless you really mean that whatever
>I (or anybody else) say, you will be rude as you see fit.
>Otherwise I really do not see why we can not have a
>civilized discussion.

We are! I'm not saying we are sipping tea together - but believe me
this is civil.

>> I doubt it. Time would not have corrected what had happened. The
>> offense would still have been present - no doubt compounded by
>> people's jocular remarks on top of it as they remarked on the offense.
>>
>If you stop feeling hurt because somebody offended you,
>and take that as an excuse for being rude to anyone else
>in the same thread, within two weeks everything will be forgotten.

Perhaps for you, but I live in the real world.

>And that will be one week or less if you apologize to
>the people in this group and promise in these NGs to be
>nice and friendly. (Correct me if I am wrong, but I
>think the changes of you apologizing are slim to say the
>least. Yet naive silly boy that I am, I always think
>people wil do what they ought to).

Very naive. Indeed.

>> 
>> Again, for me a personal attack does not involve words.
>(Here is the other example of a mismatch in definition.)
>Come on, you know what _I_ mean. I knew already what it means
>for you and will supply that definition when _you_ use it.
>One of the basic rules in a discussion is that you try
>to understand what the other peorson is saying (i.e. what
>he/she means). Assuming that someone else means the same
>thing as you would when you say it is a fundamental mistake.
>Sorry, if I offend you by reiterating that, but I think
>you made that mistake a lot of times in this discussions
>and that it is the main reason for you to think that
>everybody is after you.

Yawn. That is like teaching of the sucking of the eggs.

>
>So, I think I have said what I intended to say. I do not
>feel that this discussion is productive. This wil be my
>last post, unless you come up with a new and surprising
>insight.

Like any usenet discussion is?

>
>I hope to see you again in these NGs and that can only
>happen if I do not put you in the killfile. If you are nice
>and friendly with me and the others I might even forget
>the whole concept of the killfile and return happily to
>my normal naive ground state.

Tee-hee!

>
>	Andrel

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On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 08:55:00 -0000, "scott" <sco### [at] spamcom> wrote:

>IMBJR wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 12:36:15 -0800, "Chambers"
>> <bdc### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
>>
>>> "IMBJR" <no### [at] spamhere> wrote in message
>>> news:b8as40d47rtbrt8ih37iq1imnhvt7dckqo@4ax.com...
>>>> Don't kid yourself that this is a community. A community happens in
>>>> "meatspace", face to face, in real buildings with real progress.
>>>> This is merely a exchange of data.
>>>
>>> I will take personal offense at this.
>>>
>>> This *is* a community.  The individuals here are more intelligent,
>>> capable, considerate, helpful and productive than any other group I
>>> have known.  This community produces incredible artwork, as well as
>>> the tools to create it.  I am proud of the fact that I am allowed a
>>> space here in these forums*, and I don't appreciate your attitude in
>>> this respect.
>>
>> Believe you me, comparing this news server and it contents to a
>> community is inaccurate to say the least.
>
>Look up community in the dictionary "A group of people having common
>interests" seems to crop up.

Using a dictionary to define such a word is like using the self same
dictionary to find a recipe for a cake - woefully skimpy on detail.

>
>> People here post images, binaries, bits of POV code. They critique
>> images and points of view. Share ideas on POV-Ray and its satellites
>> of software. Some even discuss off-topic stuff like on the rest of
>> usenet.
>
>Sounds just like a community to me.

No. Sounds like usenet to me.

>
>> In a real "meatspace" community the depth of interaction makes the
>> above list of activitys look extremely small. The true personal touch
>> is where community is really at. This is merely a digital facimile of
>> a community, and as such does not go to the nth degree.
>>
>> Try comparing this place and its sister groups to, say, a village or a
>> city - both communities of differing scale. That will ensure that one
>> will see that this is a merely drop in the ocean of human interaction.
>
>How many people in your village/town/city have you spoken to about POV?  I
>think this community is far better than my "real-life" one for discussing
>POV.

Quite a few actually: my wife, people at work, friends I know. Don't
think of POV as something special that only a select few talk about -
it's just a piece of software people use.

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On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 10:18:02 -0800, "Chambers"
<bdc### [at] yahoocom> wrote:

>"IMBJR" <no### [at] spamhere> wrote in message
>news:bf0v401b6a226tggr50cppppq26k984oqa@4ax.com...
>> Try comparing this place and its sister groups to, say, a village or a
>> city - both communities of differing scale. That will ensure that one
>> will see that this is a merely drop in the ocean of human interaction.
>
>I live in a city of approx. 500k residents, and I lived in a city of 6m
>residents for 2 years.  I never saw anywhere near the "community"
>interaction that occurs here.  I know the names of only one other couple in
>my apartment building.  Modern suburbia has killed the concept of
>"community".  So don't try to say that a large city is a community and these
>forums are not.

Perhaps your personal circumstances have not permitted it, but every
city is a hive of cummunities that buzz with activity - from social
groups, places of shared entertainment, support networks, open spaces.
They are more of the community fabric that you would like to think.

>
>As for a village, I couldn't say because I've never seen a real one.  I
>don't know if any even exist, at least here in the Pacific NW.

Really? Are all the places conurbations and cities now? That's a pity.

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On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 18:08:36 -0600, "GreyBeard"
<r.b### [at] sbcglobalnet> wrote:

>
>"IMBJR" <no### [at] spamhere> wrote in message
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>>
>> The scanner they use for the negatives? You *are* referring to
>> chemical prints aren't you?
>>
>Perchance you should learn the terminology before inserting foot in open
>mouth.  I'm afraid photography was around in a more advanced state long
>before digital was anything but a term for counting on ones fingers.

Excuse me, but I sincerely did think were were talking about chemical
photography here and therefore a scanner would eventually come into
play to get into the digital realm.

Sheeh! Jumping up and down like is not going to win you support.

>

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On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 09:02:12 -0000, "scott" <sco### [at] spamcom> wrote:

>IMBJR wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 13:59:40 -0800, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> IMBJR wrote:
>>>> Costs? The software can be sourced freely. Just because you've been
>>>> bitten by software does not mean we all have.
>>>
>>> And just because I've been bitten by software doesn't mean I'm lazy.
>>
>> I've got you in love with that word "lazy", no?
>>
>> But seriously, again I say, just because you've had bad experiences
>> with software in the past is no sign that it will happen again, either
>> for you or others. Shying away from the new because of the old is not
>> going to get you far. Sure we all to a degree do not like progress,
>> but progress is always present.
>
>Indeed, but IME it's safest to let other people do the initial "progress"
>and let them face all the problems.  I'll take up any new technology later
>after all the problems have been ironed out and I don't have to waste my
>time fiddling about.

The problems are never all ironed out. If you followed your rule to
the letter you wouldn't even have appeared on this group.

>
>This J2K case is a perfect example.  Do I bother to download extra software
>and have to spend extra time converting each image to view it on my
>computer, risk the software doing something nasty to my machine, and the
>massive risk that most people won't be able to see my images?  Ok, so J2K is
>a better format technically, but I'm not going to use it until it is the
>"norm".

LOL

Such a good example of technophobia.


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