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On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 07:49:40 +0100, ABX <abx### [at] abx artpl> wrote:
>On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 22:00:46 +0000, IMBJR <no### [at] spamhere> wrote:
>> Like the UK is still part of Europe, Alaska is a part of the USA, this
>> server is part of usenet.
>
>Wrong example.
>
>Usenet is not every newsserver ever existed. Usenet is network of servers
>where every server eexchange its data. Usenet groups can be accessed by
>anyone, and contain informal messages on a variety of topics. POVRay groups
>can be accessed by selected members (in other words you can be banned here)
One can be banned on other servers too public and private.
>and does not contain groups available on any other server. Usenet is
I seem to recall efforts to make sure this stays the case. It seems
that occasionally, dopelgangers of the groups appear on the main
network. So saying that they do not appear elsewhere is not strictly
correct.
>completely decentralized and does not represent any particular server.
Not as decentralised as you might want to believe. I believe the net
in general is "grouping up" in its topology. This is a security
concern as pathways become more and more like major arteries and could
be compromised, bringing major disruption. We have already seen this
happen with e-mail and the web.
>news.povray.org is localized and unique. The only thing shared between Usenet
>and news.povray.org is shared protocol and viewer for operating. Usenet
>predates Internet and not every Usenet machine is in the internet.
No. The internet started the very day that 2 (or more) computers were
linked together with a transport protocol. Usenet quickly followed.
>news.povray.org can be closed and data can be lost.
As can be any other server.
>Usenet if reality can't be
>simply closed because it is equally distributed over the world.
Again, I bet there are a number of nodes that if pulled would indeed
cause major loss of traffic flow.
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On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 21:22:58 -0700, Patrick Elliott
<sha### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>In article <nodn40dt662s43d4ptqtcfeiunsit493gi@4ax.com>, no### [at] spamhere
>says...
>> On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 16:40:20 -0700, Patrick Elliott
>> <sha### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <u2vm409qvgdd339nmqov7ecjrbsup3l58a@4ax.com>, no### [at] spamhere
>> >says...
>> >> Mmm, perhaps. But imagine if the camera makers decide to plump for
>> >> JPEG2000 then we shall see.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Oh joy.. From one lossy compression method in a camera to another
>> >slightly improved one for a device that you can't really afford to lose
>>
>> Slightly!? I beg to differ.
>>
>Well.. I haven't really looked at the format yet, but some posts from
>today imply that at least some solutions that could be useful are in fact
>broken.
Indeed. It seems the vendors are being sloppy. At least 2 people have
already managed to develop their own software to do this - so if they
can, why not the vendors?
>Since I use Opera and the one for it is broken... Maybe when the
>viewers/editors improve a bit more, but for now I don't need another half
>functioning program on my system.
Wishful thinking. There's always something on one's computer that's
half-cocked. For example, on my PC whenever I double-click a PDF file,
Acrobat warns me that it cannot open the file and then it does! This
is just one of many of life's little bugbears. Trying to avoid them is
impossible.
>
>> Actually, I'd rather not have a JPEG2000-supporting camera - I'd refer
>> TIIF or RAW.
>>
>Given absolutely no other choice, so would I. However, that still means
>my camera that 'could' have taken around 30 high quality images (at
>around 2MB a piece with PNG, maybe less) can only take at most 10 images
>*if* I am using a 64MB memory card in it (with RAW and TIFF taking 5-6MB
>per image). I may as well use a normal camera and get 30 or more photos
>and have the advantage of negatives I can losslessly blow up to 100 times
>the normal photograph size. A digital camera *needs* to be able to at
>least match the same number of photos a normal camera can or what is the
>point?
Now you are talking, but then the scanner is going to have to be a
good one.
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On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 18:23:47 -0800, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>
wrote:
>IMBJR wrote:
>> Insults are not bizarre generalisations - not the ones I use anyways.
>
>Actually, yes, they are.
>
>> Just can't accept what I say on
>> this subject of dial-up.
>
>No, because I actually know better. I've worked at telcos, I've
>installed high-speed lines. Your unwillingness to pay for high-speed
>access is just that. Unwillingness. Not inability to get it.
I AM OUT OF RANGE OF BROADBAND. I CANNOT USE IT.
Was that any clearer for you?
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On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:46:33 -0600, "GreyBeard" <r.b### [at] sbcglobalnet>
wrote:
>
>"IMBJR" <no### [at] spamhere> wrote in message
>news:hvpp409be19v8cc3i503js1qtqr4ov2fla@4ax.com...
>>
>> Believe you me that would not work with me. I've had that happen to me
>> in other places - again, due to the clique-gone-mad syndrome.
>
>Thank you for the confession of being a proven troll. It's quite refreshing
>when my first impressions are correct, and by your own words.
Don't be silly. If I was a troll I would have not mentioned the above
incident. I would rather have wanted to keep quiet on that, don't you
think?
Plus, if I were a troll I'd have done a better job of it than:
1. Post an image in a format I required to be used. I needed 16-bit
support and good lossy compression.
2. Posted replies to some rather rude-sounding replies. However,
rudeness is in the eye of the beholder. However, they, to me, were
rude - so I was rude back.
3, Post to this group on the subject of JPEG2000 without the merely
hint of spite. It was merely a list of pros I felt could be applied to
JPEG2000. As it turned out, the 16-bit aspect of all this was perhaps
flawed thinking.
>
>Secondly, what you mean is we're not the first group you've insulted
>everyone and anyone.
It's quite natural to get involved in disputes on usenet. Usenet is a
deeply flawed method of communicating subtley. I'm sure this is not
the first time you've been rude to someone yourself.
>
>Lastly, my Binford Mark 5 Turbo flamethrower may not be in usage here, but
>that's my choice.
Fantasising about some bizarre weaponery, in lieu of actually thinking
about my statements, is pointless.
>
>(Set target control on Troll, level on Vaporize)
Don't be silly.
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On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 20:23:32 -0500, Christopher James Huff
<cja### [at] earthlinknet> wrote:
>In article <cktp40lls455qv549e005icm6fr2ftpv26@4ax.com>,
> IMBJR <no### [at] spamhere> wrote:
>
>> Now you give the greater detail. Sheeh! Dear me. I think you need to
>> leave if you cannot get it right first time.
>
>Why? You're the one causing trouble. I don't think anyone here would be
>sad to see you leave. I would be very glad to see that happen. In fact,
>I will state it as a personal request: Please leave, now, and never come
>back.
Please don't beg, it looks horribly desperate.
>
>That was a personal request, as a user of these newsgroups. Now, as a
>TAG member: Do not *ever* tell other users of this server they should
>leave. Do not even imply it. You are on very thin ice here. We have
>tolerated your abuse of this server so far, but we will not tolerate
>attempts to chase away legitimate users.
Now, I'm not entirely sure if I have or have not. Certainly, I've
asked people to killfile me, but that's not the same.
If this is indeed the rule of the place, then I shall comply as I have
been doing about the effing since it was pointed out to me.
However, it seems slightly odd for you to beg me to leave when you say
its against the rules, but I suppose the masters can break their own
rules.
>Posting here is a privilege,
>not a right, you are here at the sufferance of the server
>administration. Abuse these privileges badly enough and they will be
>removed. If you will not leave voluntarily, I very strongly suggest that
>you straighten up your act and actually listen to what people are
>telling you.
I "listen" to them, it does not mean I have to agree - and so far I've
very little reason to agree.
As for this hint of a ban - well, I'm actually struggling to word this
bit carefully here so as not to sound like I'm making some sort of
threat or in any way raising a challenge, but basically, it's probably
not a realistic option.
Fortunately, for you I do actually believe in following group rules:
no swearing, no asking people to leave, whatever.
Of course, I shall continue to use JPEG2000 as appropriate - as that's
apparently not a no-no.
You could change the rules, of course, but you'd being doing it with a
hollowness inside - I'd probably have a good laugh at the reasoning
that would have to be concocted for the FAQ. I'd still continue to
post of course - JPEG, GIF, PNG and perhaps any other new format not
yet conceived of that might be useful.
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In article <iibs40t8hovdmoab8mkeaoerh0n8l6jj4p@4ax.com> , IMBJR
<no### [at] spamhere> wrote:
> I AM OUT OF RANGE OF BROADBAND. I CANNOT USE IT.
>
> Was that any clearer for you?
Wrong! You can get BT's ISDN2e or ISDN30e service! Both are faster than
your modem! You are just too lazy to get them!!! Oh well, I should just
let you suffer using your outdated modem connection to the internet. In the
meantime, I will enjoy my DSL connection and backup ISDN line.
Thorsten
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e-mail: tho### [at] trfde
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On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 14:18:19 -0800, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>
wrote:
>IMBJR wrote:
>> I AM OUT OF RANGE OF BROADBAND. I CANNOT USE IT.
>
>Typing it in all caps doesn't make you right. I just priced the cost of
>running a T1 leased line from LA to San Diego. Trust me. You're not out
>of range of broadband.
I am. Do you understand this simple concept? Here in the UK we have
ADSL - it simply will not reach me. It has something like a 5.5km
range and I am out of it.
>
>Have *you* actually called up your local telco and asked them how much a
>T1 line would cost? Why not? Are you lazy?
T1? Well, whilst we are burning money let's get the pavement outside
the house paved with diamonds.
PS. You really are a bit of a parrot you know. Try being original.
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On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 23:24:15 +0100, "Thorsten Froehlich"
<tho### [at] trfde> wrote:
>In article <iibs40t8hovdmoab8mkeaoerh0n8l6jj4p@4ax.com> , IMBJR
><no### [at] spamhere> wrote:
>
>> I AM OUT OF RANGE OF BROADBAND. I CANNOT USE IT.
>>
>> Was that any clearer for you?
>
>Wrong! You can get BT's ISDN2e or ISDN30e service! Both are faster than
>your modem!
And slower than ADSL if I recall correctly. That's a no hoper.
>You are just too lazy to get them!!! Oh well, I should just
Parrot.
>let you suffer using your outdated modem connection to the internet. In the
>meantime, I will enjoy my DSL connection and backup ISDN line.
Gloating like that is pitiful, but don't worry I shall not be pitying
the likes of you.
>
> Thorsten
>
>____________________________________________________
>Thorsten Froehlich, Duisburg, Germany
>e-mail: tho### [at] trfde
>
>Visit POV-Ray on the web: http://mac.povray.org
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IMBJR <no### [at] spamhere> wrote in
news:l4as40lb39iv61huj2r191n76q3jbfir3u@4ax.com:
>
> Any rules I have broken I have corrected myself on. I'm no longer
> using foul language. The format postings were, after all, permitted.
> Yes, I certainly appear rude to some, but let's face it, when in
> argument with others, one certainly will appear rude.
>
IMHO, I think most people who frequent this server prefer having a
discussion rather than an argument. Perhaps you misunderstood the intent
of my earlier quote of the the Acceptable Use Policy. That specific
paragraph not only referenced profanity, but conduct as well. Rude
behavior and harrasment are not condoned. I include the relevant paragraph
below.
Users of this news server may not post messages that could
reasonably be expected, by today's standards, to cause another
reasonable person to not want to use or visit this server due
to a feeling of harassment. Personal attacks, exhibiting
insulting or abusive behavior, are not an acceptable activity
on this news server. Likewise, the use of profanity is also
considered unacceptable.
--
Tom
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On 9 Mar 2004 18:11:38 -0500, Tom Galvin <tom### [at] imporg> wrote:
>IMBJR <no### [at] spamhere> wrote in
>news:l4as40lb39iv61huj2r191n76q3jbfir3u@4ax.com:
>
>
>>
>> Any rules I have broken I have corrected myself on. I'm no longer
>> using foul language. The format postings were, after all, permitted.
>> Yes, I certainly appear rude to some, but let's face it, when in
>> argument with others, one certainly will appear rude.
>>
>
>IMHO, I think most people who frequent this server prefer having a
>discussion rather than an argument.
Titter. That's just a way of glossing over what's going on.
>Perhaps you misunderstood the intent
>of my earlier quote of the the Acceptable Use Policy. That specific
>paragraph not only referenced profanity, but conduct as well. Rude
>behavior and harrasment are not condoned. I include the relevant paragraph
>below.
>
> Users of this news server may not post messages that could
> reasonably be expected, by today's standards, to cause another
> reasonable person to not want to use or visit this server due
> to a feeling of harassment. Personal attacks, exhibiting
> insulting or abusive behavior, are not an acceptable activity
> on this news server. Likewise, the use of profanity is also
> considered unacceptable.
This shall endevour to adhere to.
Interestingly, though it does tend to make for a blander world though
and is horribly open to interpretation.
I mean, exactly what would a personal attack on a newsgroup look like?
A personal attack for me is a physical thing. For someone else who,
say, has a weight problem its a reference to their girth. If you are
not careful you end up pandering to the emotionally fragile.
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