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> * FTP, that is whenever you log into your web site to upload files, you
> transmit that password in clear text!
There are extensions to FTP to make it secure...but yes it is usually clear
text
>
> * POP3 mailboxes, that is at least everybody who uses something else than
> webmail or AOL, which ends up being a real lot of people!
That is about the dumbest statement I've heard all day. First of all most
corparations use IMAP and not POP. Secondly POP has MANY extensions for
secure passwords, and many clients/servers implement them so the average
person will not have a clear text password, and thirdly POP can be used with
SSL or TLS. The actual percentage of people who send clear text passwords
on a regular basis is very low.
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In article <3d2f252e@news.povray.org>, "Thorsten Froehlich"
<tho### [at] trf de> wrote:
> Well, you are not supposed to use non-ASCII characters: There is absolutely
> no guarantee it will work, just like with any other internet service out
> there.
Of course, this does not mean that I don't find it annoying as well, after
all, my last name has on umlaut-o in its native spelling. However, the
actual problem here is security plus support problems. The only way we
could solve it would be to request form input in UTF-8. I am not sure that
works everywhere. As far as HTML tags are concerned, as you noticed, that
is just stripped away, which is a pure security precaution as allowing HTML
layout could be used for all kinds of server abuse.
Thorsten
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e-mail: tho### [at] trfde
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In article <3d2f27d6$1@news.povray.org> , "Fox Neilson"
<ine### [at] myrealboxcom> wrote:
>> * POP3 mailboxes, that is at least everybody who uses something else than
>> webmail or AOL, which ends up being a real lot of people!
>
> That is about the dumbest statement I've heard all day.
Oh thank you for the compliment. I think it is only proper if I say the
same about your statement. Maybe get a clue before you say something.
Really helps, you know, I do actually know what I am talking about. Do you?
> First of all most corporations use IMAP and not POP.
I said nothing to contradict this, so no point in mentioning it.
> The actual percentage of people who send clear text passwords
> on a regular basis is very low.
If that is your opinion, fine, but that doesn't make it a fact...
Thorsten
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Thorsten Froehlich
e-mail: mac### [at] povrayorg
I am a member of the POV-Ray Team.
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In article <3d2f27d6$1@news.povray.org> , "Fox Neilson"
<ine### [at] myrealboxcom> wrote:
> The actual percentage of people who send clear text passwords
> on a regular basis is very low.
So for example neither Google Groups nor Slashdot haven't any users, right?
Thorsten
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In article <3d2f27d6$1@news.povray.org>,
"Fox Neilson" <ine### [at] myrealboxcom> wrote:
>That is about the dumbest statement I've heard all day. First of all most
>corparations use IMAP and not POP. Secondly POP has MANY extensions for
Not everyone is in a corporation.
>secure passwords, and many clients/servers implement them so the average
>person will not have a clear text password, and thirdly POP can be used with
>SSL or TLS. The actual percentage of people who send clear text passwords
>on a regular basis is very low.
Where is the data on which you make this conclusion? I can tell you that
the percentage of people at our university who send clear text
passwords, the percentage of people on my Internet access company who
send clear text passwords, and the percentage of people on my site
hosting provider who send clear text passwords, is very high. The first
and last do not provide an option for non-geeks to not send clear text
passwords to access their e-mail. The middle one definitely still uses
insecure POP in their user instructions. If they provide secure e-mail
password checking, I don't know about (but I haven't looked hard, since
I don't use them for e-mail).
Jerry
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http://www.hoboes.com/jerry/
"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach him to fish, and you've
depleted the lake."--It Isn't Murder If They're Yankees
(http://www.hoboes.com/jerry/Murder/)
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In article <MPG.179835baf4b81fa6989710@news.povray.org> , Lutz-Peter Hooge
<lpv### [at] gmxde> wrote:
> I still don't agree with you, but Ok, EOD.
BTW, maybe read c't 15/2002 page 179.
Thorsten
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Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
>
> BTW, maybe read c't 15/2002 page 179.
>
BTW, i missed something about POV-Ray, they probably did not have enough
time to write it, i hope there will be an article in the next issue.
But the author of
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/ghi-12.07.02-001/
should brush up his knowledge about the matter before...
Christoph
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TransSkin and more: http://www.tu-bs.de/~y0013390/
Last updated 12 Jul. 2002 _____./\/^>_*_<^\/\.______
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(To everybody who isn't from Germany, we are talking about
<http://www.heise.de/newsticker/>)
In article <3D2FFC27.4C1B25E2@gmx.de> , Christoph Hormann
<chr### [at] gmxde> wrote:
> BTW, i missed something about POV-Ray, they probably did not have enough
> time to write it, i hope there will be an article in the next issue.
>
> But the author of
>
> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/ghi-12.07.02-001/
>
> should brush up his knowledge about the matter before...
Yes, I saw that two and the stupid flamewar someone cause in the "forums"
(am I the only one who has the impression those forums only contain
flamewars?)
The thing with the "ISO-surface" is a really obvious mistake. Maybe an
email to the author would help. In the past they corrected mistakes quickly
(like once when the newsticker moved the Motorola headquarter to Texas but
it really is in Illinois).
As for the actual content, I think this is because few people are in on a
Saturday just after the release of a new issue. On the other hand some
people there know how to use POV-Ray, otherwise there hadn't been these
interesting articles about 3.0 and 3.1.
Or maybe they just got those articles from independent authors like thy got
all the interesting radiosity (issue 6/91) and procedural textures (issue
1/93). In general they still seem to publish independent articles. Maybe
you would want try to write something about isosurfaces or other new 3.5
features...?
Thorsten
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e-mail: tho### [at] trfde
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Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> The thing with the "ISO-surface" is a really obvious mistake. Maybe an
> email to the author would help. In the past they corrected mistakes quickly
> (like once when the newsticker moved the Motorola headquarter to Texas but
> it really is in Illinois).
>
> As for the actual content, I think this is because few people are in on a
> Saturday just after the release of a new issue. On the other hand some
> people there know how to use POV-Ray, otherwise there hadn't been these
> interesting articles about 3.0 and 3.1.
You are probably right although i have the impression that the authors of
those very good articles about 3.0 and 3.1 are no more working there, at
least all recent things about POV-Ray did not give the impression of that
much competence (although maybe it's just me knowing more about POV-Ray
now).
> Or maybe they just got those articles from independent authors like thy got
> all the interesting radiosity (issue 6/91) and procedural textures (issue
> 1/93). In general they still seem to publish independent articles. Maybe
> you would want try to write something about isosurfaces or other new 3.5
> features...?
At least i will mail the author about the mistakes in the text.
Christoph
--
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TransSkin and more: http://www.tu-bs.de/~y0013390/
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In article <3D300481.7C6026A1@gmx.de> , Christoph Hormann
<chr### [at] gmxde> wrote:
> You are probably right although i have the impression that the authors of
> those very good articles about 3.0 and 3.1 are no more working there, at
> least all recent things about POV-Ray did not give the impression of that
> much competence (although maybe it's just me knowing more about POV-Ray
> now).
Well, compare it with this even worse information in the news section of
macwelt.de (a big German version of the Macworld magazine). At least I am
wondering when I introduced simultaneous rendering of multiple scenes...
<http://www.macwelt.de/_news/200207/id13119.shtml>
>> Or maybe they just got those articles from independent authors like thy got
>> all the interesting radiosity (issue 6/91) and procedural textures (issue
>> 1/93). In general they still seem to publish independent articles. Maybe
>> you would want try to write something about isosurfaces or other new 3.5
>> features...?
>
> At least i will mail the author about the mistakes in the text.
They changed it a bit now. Not much better, but at least now using a kind
of German word for isosurface, so one can only complain about the miserable
translation now ;-(
Thorsten
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e-mail: tho### [at] trfde
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