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Many of us use Poser now, for including Poser models in our POV-Ray scenes,
so I'm wondering if anyone else here is interested in having a new forum.
If you think it would be a good idea, or if not, please voice your opinion.
I keep seeing Poser comments popping up in various groups, and I'm never
quite sure whether I should post to .general, .off-topic, .advanced-users,
etc. Not a big deal, but I would imagine that some others have scratched
their heads on this issue as well.
Additionally, as a relatively new Poser 5 user, I'm often experimenting with
things, and I'm sure others have already done the same things with Pose-Ray
(or something else) and having a place to freely discuss these sorts of
questions would seem like a good thing. IMHO, it would be nice to have this
collective POV-Ray/Poser knowledge in one nice neat collection. :-)
--
Jeremy
www.beantoad.com
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news:40074c8c@news.povray.org...
> Many of us use Poser now, for including Poser models in our POV-Ray
scenes,
> so I'm wondering if anyone else here is interested in having a new forum.
> If you think it would be a good idea, or if not, please voice your
opinion.
As a long-time Poser/POV-Ray user, since 1996 and Poser 1, when all Poser
people were bald, expressionless, naked and extremely ugly (not that it has
changed much...), I'm certainly in favour of such a group. It would be
somewhat similar to the Moray one.
Of course, there are already a lot of very active Poser groups around the
Web (Renderosity started as one) and lots of tutorials but there is little
information about the use of Poser within POV-Ray. In fact, many Poser users
use the built-in renderer and photoshop the results so there's not so much
written experience about Poser models in other applications, except Bryce
perhaps. A povray.poser group could certainly help the poser/povray newbies.
Most of us had to figure out things by ourselves before.
Just for the fun, this page chronicles (in images) the introduction of Poser
people in my images in 1996.
http://www.oyonale.com/histoire/english/images1996.htm.
Before Poser, there was no way to put "realistic" characters in POV-Ray, and
this page also features a couple of images done with earlier, pre-Poser
dummies
http://www.oyonale.com/histoire/images/tarzan.jpg
http://www.oyonale.com/histoire/images/soulage.jpg
http://www.oyonale.com/histoire/images/touronde.jpg
that were found in the early Web (using Lycos as a search engine).
Ugly and stiff as they were, Poser 1 people were a great improvement over
these dummies. However, those poor Poser folks wouldn't have hair and
clothes until Poser 2 in 1997, and it wasn't until Poser 3 in 1999 that we
started to have good-looking characters and animals, with uv-maps (that
required a special POV-Ray), more or less fitting clothes and transparent
hairpieces.
G.
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I'd be in favour...
I had to learn the hard way too, fortunately Gilles had been there before me
and offered much useful help and advice. I'd like to pass some of that on to
others - though Gilles seems to have more time than me ;-) must be living in
another dimension! besides he manages to explain things much more completely
and accurately than me.
Mick
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> Many of us use Poser now, for including Poser models in our POV-Ray
scenes,
> so I'm wondering if anyone else here is interested in having a new forum.
> If you think it would be a good idea, or if not, please voice your
opinion.
I'd say, why not make a more common group for external tools? Poser would be
one, but PoseRay, Spatch and several other programms are tools a fellow
Pover might use as well, and making a general group for external tools
sounds like a better idea to me than to have a certain group for a single
external programm. OTOH, I don't know if a new, more general group wouldn't
be flooded with questions regarding all kinds of kinky little tools...
Just my 2 cents. I, for one, use only Poser 3 (don't have the money for a
more recent edition), so I'm not in dire need of an extra group. Besides,
once some certain standard issues have been figured out (it's more or less
the conversion, isn't it?), I guess the group would get pretty quiet.
Working with Poser and making use of the objects... I guess that's covered
pretty good by other sites like Renderosity etc.
Regards,
Tim
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"Tim Nikias v2.0"
Homepage: <http://www.nolights.de>
Email: tim.nikias (@) nolights.de
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Mick Hazelgrove wrote:
> I'd be in favour...
Me too. I'm all for more open discussion about Poser. I guess I'm not
as particular as many are about what gets discussed where, but if a
separate forum would foster more discussion of using Poser with POV,
both technically and content-wise, great.
>
> I had to learn the hard way too, fortunately Gilles had been there before me
> and offered much useful help and advice.
And not just technically. His work leads by example.
I'd like to pass some of that on to
> others - though Gilles seems to have more time than me ;-) must be living in
> another dimension! besides he manages to explain things much more completely
> and accurately than me.
What you said. I can only imagine that if you actually meet the guy in
person, his every action must be at double speed. And he writes clearer
English than most English speakers.
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> I'd say, why not make a more common group for external tools? Poser would be
> one, but PoseRay, Spatch and several other programms are tools a fellow
> Pover might use as well, and making a general group for external tools
> sounds like a better idea to me than to have a certain group for a single
> external programm.
I like this idea, also. I am slowly collecting, thanks to references
from other POVRay users, quite a few ancillary programs that I use to
create POVRay files (lately, for example, I've been playing with KnotPlot:
http://www.cs.ubc.ca/nest/imager/contributions/scharein/KnotPlot.html
thanks to Mael -- see p.b.images) and perhaps a group for discussing
tips, problems, new-found resources as they relate to POVRay might be
helpful.
On the other hand, though I don't have POSER, it seems as though enough
people do, to make it worthwhile to have a POSER-specific group,
especially since there are apparently some rather complicated issues
regarding Poser/Povray interractions.
(My 2 cents, or 0.0162 Euros, or something like that.)
Dave Matthews
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> OTOH, I don't know if a new, more general group wouldn't
> be flooded with questions regarding all kinds of kinky little tools...
That's a good idea. It could be a povray.utilities group since there's
already a povray.binaries.utilities. Or povray.other-applications? It needs
a catchy name so that newbies don't miss it (not that it will work of
course...)
That would allow discussions about all the other stuff like Wings, uvmapper
and al. which are presently scattered everywhere, including off-topic.
What do other people think?
G.
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- Posters
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Gilles Tran wrote:
> That would allow discussions about all the other stuff like Wings, uvmapper
> and al. which are presently scattered everywhere, including off-topic.
> What do other people think?
>
Works for me!
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Tim Nikias v2.0 wrote:
>
> I'd say, why not make a more common group for external tools? Poser would be
> one, but PoseRay, Spatch and several other programms are tools a fellow
> Pover might use as well, and making a general group for external tools
> sounds like a better idea to me than to have a certain group for a single
> external programm. OTOH, I don't know if a new, more general group wouldn't
> be flooded with questions regarding all kinds of kinky little tools...
> [...]
I think a common group for all 3rd party tools would be a good idea
(povray.tools or povray.utilities). This way it would be easier to
adapt to tools becoming more popular and others less.
Having a quick look at the postings in p.general, p.newusers and
p.advanced-users there would be at least 5% of the postings suitable for
such a new group.
A rule to add a prefix like [poser] to the subject of new threads would
make it possible to set preferences in the newsreader.
Christoph
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POV-Ray tutorials, include files, Sim-POV,
HCR-Edit and more: http://www.tu-bs.de/~y0013390/
Last updated 11 Jan. 2004 _____./\/^>_*_<^\/\.______
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> I think a common group for all 3rd party tools would be a good idea
> (povray.tools or povray.utilities). This way it would be easier to
> adapt to tools becoming more popular and others less.
povray.tools + the prefix gets my vote.
There's a lot of intersection between these tools (Poser + Poseray for
instance) so keeping them all at the same place is a good idea.
G.
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- Posters
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