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from the article....
"...A note to NewTek - I still haven't been able to produce metal that
looked as much like metal as in POV-Ray. TrueSpace came close, but not
really, and 3DMax2 does a decent job."
His words not mine. Although I'd love to see your argument with him. Not
that I know much about the other Apps, I just like a good fight.
:)
Regards,
C.J. - POV User
www.crosswinds.net/~povstudy
Lance Birch <-> wrote in message news:3992b682@news.povray.org...
> > outputs textures better than Max, unless you buy some expensive add-on
and
> > spend a lot of time tweaking it.
>
> I'd be willing to debate that one ;)
>
> Mmmm... standard textures... interactive procedural displacement mapping
> direct from the materials editor... :P~~~
>
> But I still love POV-Ray :) *sigh* It taught me all the kewl stuff.
>
> --
> Lance
>
> The Zone
> http://come.to/the.zone
>
>
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Oh I'd really put a good fight on too :) hehehe
BTW, does anyone want me to make some test renderings in MAX so you can see
how it renders different things?
--
Lance
The Zone
http://come.to/the.zone
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I would, as long as your can render the "same" scene in POV to comare it
with. If you can....
C.J. - POV User
www.crosswinds.net/~povstudy
Lance Birch <-> wrote in message news:39932b1b@news.povray.org...
> Oh I'd really put a good fight on too :) hehehe
>
> BTW, does anyone want me to make some test renderings in MAX so you can
see
> how it renders different things?
>
> --
> Lance
>
> The Zone
> http://come.to/the.zone
>
>
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C.J. - POV User wrote:
> I would, as long as your can render the "same" scene in POV to comare it
> with. If you can....
Hmm, I don't think I can... I could get the object placement the same but I
wouldn't know how to make the textures the same... or do the displacement
mapping (from hanging around in here it sounds like MegaPOV could do the
job, but it's been a fair while since I've coded in POV-Ray and I've never
used MegaPOV)
Here's an image I just made though, it shows a few features of the
texturing, like using self-illumination maps, displacement maps, and
raytracing for the reflections. All the textures were made in about 5
minutes so they're nothing special artistically. It took 1 minute 22
seconds to render, but I had Winamp running (it probably wouldn't make too
much difference, MAX seems to let other programs have priority unless you
have multiple processors).
There are two lights in the scene, one is used to exclusively light the
teapot in the background (just for fun - I love exclusive lighting! ;)
Here's a PNG of it:
http://members.xoom.com/_XMCM/lancebirch/magma.png
(p.s. because that's on XOOM you might have to put the URL into your browser
for it to work)
--
Lance
The Zone
http://come.to/the.zone
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Warp wrote:
>
> Fabien Mosen <fab### [at] skynet be> wrote:
> : A language is an interface ! I'm currently using my english-interface,
> : so I can understand what you say, and (hopefully) you can understand
> : what I say. If we were both using our "native" interfaces, that would
> : be difficult !!
>
> : The POV-Ray language is an interface between what you want it to do,
> : and the core engine.
>
> I think that a User Interface is more like a realtime-app, where the
> program waits for you to do something and then reacts to what you did.
Whereas POV-Ray is the exact opposite. You wait for it to do something
and then react to what it did.
--
Francois Labreque | Unfortunately, there's no such thing as a snooze
flabreq | button on a cat who wants breakfast.
@ | - Unattributed quote from rec.humor.funny
attglobal.net
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Interesting meaty blob.
In truth I don't see why the scene could not be done in POV though. The
object placement should be easy. The Meat Ball could be done a a blob object
with texture, normal, and finish ( As an example of some Nice POV texturing
check out the "sky" in this image.
http://www.crosswinds.net/~povstudy/gallery/gallery04.htm , I can see the
meat ball being done like this. the teapot I could either model in POV or
import from many resources and slap a standard metal finish on it.
If you want, maybe I could redo the scene in POV. I would need the coords of
the camera, objects (and sizes) and lights? But I think this can be done. It
would not be exact but close.
C.J. - POV User
www.crosswinds.net/~povstudy
Lance Birch <-> wrote in message news:39935c0d@news.povray.org...
> C.J. - POV User wrote:
> > I would, as long as your can render the "same" scene in POV to comare it
> > with. If you can....
>
> Hmm, I don't think I can... I could get the object placement the same but
I
> wouldn't know how to make the textures the same... or do the displacement
> mapping (from hanging around in here it sounds like MegaPOV could do the
> job, but it's been a fair while since I've coded in POV-Ray and I've never
> used MegaPOV)
>
> Here's an image I just made though, it shows a few features of the
> texturing, like using self-illumination maps, displacement maps, and
> raytracing for the reflections. All the textures were made in about 5
> minutes so they're nothing special artistically. It took 1 minute 22
> seconds to render, but I had Winamp running (it probably wouldn't make too
> much difference, MAX seems to let other programs have priority unless you
> have multiple processors).
>
> There are two lights in the scene, one is used to exclusively light the
> teapot in the background (just for fun - I love exclusive lighting! ;)
>
> Here's a PNG of it:
>
> http://members.xoom.com/_XMCM/lancebirch/magma.png
>
> (p.s. because that's on XOOM you might have to put the URL into your
browser
> for it to work)
>
> --
> Lance
>
> The Zone
> http://come.to/the.zone
>
>
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My point was that the renderer is capable of a lot more than it's given
credit for.
More I was aiming at showing that despite what seems to be common opinion
around here, MAX has a wonderful renderer that produces great quality images
and animations.
As for the middle ball, the effect isn't a blob and couldn't be created (at
least not quickly) with one. It's a procedural displacement map applied to
a sphere (which I've then used a derivative of as the diffuse color map, the
self-illumination map and then again on the shininess strength map so the
dark parts aren't as shiny as the red/orange parts).
Also what I was trying to show was that MAX has a very powerful material
editor, one capable of producing a huge range of different texture types *by
default*. There's no need to add any plugins. I guess if you really wanted
to, you can write you're own plugins too, with some knowledge of C++ (MAX
Professional comes with a huge library and reference manual on creating
plugins for all types of things in MAX, from objects, to materials, to
renderers, new lighting models, basically anything).
Anyway, if you want you can redo the scene, I'll get some co-ords for the
spheres and lights. The camera has a fair few properties that you'll have
to translate into POV-Ray's camera model (for example in MAX you give the
field of view as an angle or mm measurement, I'm not sure how this will
translate to POV-Ray exactly).
--
Lance
The Zone
http://come.to/the.zone
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Lance Birch wrote:
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> Mmmm... standard textures...
POV has a load of those too, you know :)
> interactive procedural displacement mapping
> direct from the materials editor... :P~~~
>
Thats a modeller-specific feature.
--
Margus Ramst
Personal e-mail: mar### [at] peakeduee
TAG (Team Assistance Group) e-mail: mar### [at] tagpovrayorg
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> > Mmmm... standard textures...
>
> POV has a load of those too, you know :)
I was actually talking about surface lighting models... which it has a fair
few of for specific materials (metal, anisotropic, blinn, flat, phong,
nayler-blinn etc).
Mmm... but I love POV-Ray's area lights :P~~~ I had lots of phun with those
(even though they took ages to render on my old 486 ;)
> Thats a modeller-specific feature.
I don't think so, it's part of the material definition that a material can
displace geometry, it really isn't anything to do with the modeller (except
the interactive viewing when you're creating it).
--
Lance
The Zone
http://come.to/the.zone
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Lance Birch wrote:
>
> I was actually talking about surface lighting models... which it has a fair
> few of for specific materials (metal, anisotropic, blinn, flat, phong,
> nayler-blinn etc).
>
Mmmm... That's yummy, I admit.
> I don't think so, it's part of the material definition that a material can
> displace geometry
The same applies for MegaPOV, in a way. And it has the advantage that a
mathematical pattern can be used to displacement-map a mathematical object
(isosurface).
I still say displacement-mapping a mesh is a modeller feature, since it simply
transforms the mesh vertices (at least I presume Max does it that way).
--
Margus Ramst
Personal e-mail: mar### [at] peakeduee
TAG (Team Assistance Group) e-mail: mar### [at] tagpovrayorg
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