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Didn't Ken sort of take some pre-existing lists and make them his own?
If someone were to take without credit our friend's artwork or political
rantings or news photography, I'd be at the head of the mob. It is really hard
for me to find very many tears for the "loss" of credit for a list of free
links.
"Chris S." wrote:
> Ok, I e-mailed Rudy Spurlin, manager of the Vector6 site, and voiced to him
> my concerns that the list he is hosting may have been stolen. He replied to
> my message claiming the very same thing you are, that his list was stolen,
> and is now being harassed by people claiming him as the thief based solely
> on your original post. Spurlin wished to speak no more of the matter to me
> pending future legal action needed to rectify this situation. A bold
> statement coming from someone who supposedly "stole" a list of links... As
> Bob Huges first mentioned, it's sad to say but there is little proof that
> the list is indeed yours, or his. Therefore, trying to raise a riotous mob
> in your defense will hardly make matters right and will only confuse the
> situation. The best solution is to e-mail him, and only him, and work the
> situation out peacefully.
>
> Good luck,
> -Chris-
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"Greg M. Johnson" <gre### [at] my-dejanews com> wrote in message
news:3997F06C.69A22DAA@my-dejanews.com...
| Didn't Ken sort of take some pre-existing lists and make them his own?
Not that I ever noticed, or recall anything about it! gasp...
| If someone were to take without credit our friend's artwork or political
| rantings or news photography, I'd be at the head of the mob. It is really
hard
| for me to find very many tears for the "loss" of credit for a list of free
| links.
Don't know which was first, the chicken or the egg. I never do.
This is a bit uncanny though that the possibility of two nearly identical
web pages exist and both people claim them to be uniquely there own making.
What surprised me was that they were so much alike, even identical, not
something you see everyday unless it's a mirrored site or something. Were
the info collected and redone you would expect to see plenty of personal
changes. As it is I don't see any real differences. Only other possibility
is that both people could have started from yet another source which had the
format seen there with the alphabet correlation to the link types. But
still, so much the same? Someone had to be first at least, which is what
Diego is claiming.
Anyway, as you are saying Greg, it's only links for all to use. Not a major
problem seems to me either. However the web page duplication sort of thing
is kind of a problem. Hope they manage to find a harmonious resolve.
Bob
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"Greg M. Johnson" wrote:
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> Didn't Ken sort of take some pre-existing lists and make them his own?
Nope. Ken started by bookmarking links found in USENET messages, people's
sig links, from search engines, hundreds of hours of searching through
various freeware/shareware sites, and from links submitted to him from
people who heard that he was collecting links. In all but a few cases
they were added one by one but on those occasions where I found a
useful collection of POV-Ray related links on someone else's page I
took the time to visit each site on the list, bookmarked it, and then
added my own comments to the link itself. My collection is a labor of
love that is, to the best of my knowledge, wholly my own.
I have however found my collection mirrored in totality on some
other POV-Ray related websites a couple of which were done without
my permission. At first I was really pissed off about it but I
decided that since I was still serving the POV-Ray community, even
without the credit, that I wasn't going to let it bother me.
--
Ken Tyler - 1400+ POV-Ray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/
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Ken wrote:
> "Greg M. Johnson" wrote:
> > Didn't Ken sort of take some pre-existing lists and make them his own?
>
> In all but a few cases
> they were added one by one but on those occasions where I found a
> useful collection of POV-Ray related links on someone else's page I
> took the time to visit each site on the list, bookmarked it, and then
> added my own comments to the link itself.
Perhaps I accused without warrant, but even then my point was that the crime
was inconsequential. This practice you just described could be called
"stealing" someone else's ideas, kind of like reading all the footnotes in a
book and then writing your 'own' book. Hey, people have been sued for
offering links to pages with links to pirated stuff, or sued for links to
someone's competitors, no?
I'm not one of those who hold that copyright is in itself outdated. I think
what private citizens did at Napster was criminal (albeit undecided on
Napster's culpability).
As I said before, if someone stole one JPG or one tutorial at those sitse,
I'd be at the head of the mob. I just can't get excited about piracy of
"favorite links". If you look at my boids tutorial, I both invested a labor
of love in typing up a boids tutorial, and also in a bunch of links that I
think are cool. I would take action if some stole the tutorial, be proud if
someone appropriated the links.
http://www.geocities.com/pterandon/boids.html
Q: I visited both sites briefly. The accused site had pretty cool
background images. Was there also an accusation of appropriation of the
images, too?
> My collection is a labor of
> love that is, to the best of my knowledge, wholly my own.
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On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:25:01 -0700, Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote:
>My collection is a labor of love that is, to the best of my
>knowledge, wholly my own.
It's your labour of love that has earned you our love :)
>I have however found my collection mirrored in totality on some
>other POV-Ray related websites a couple of which were done without
>my permission. At first I was really pissed off about it but I
>decided that since I was still serving the POV-Ray community, even
>without the credit, that I wasn't going to let it bother me.
That's lame. Do the sites at least mention your name or your site? Do
the webmasters keep them as up-to-date as you do? Has anyone
explicitly claimed your credit?
I am only asking because for your hard work you at least deserve the
credit.
Peter Popov ICQ : 15002700
Personal e-mail : pet### [at] usanet
TAG e-mail : pet### [at] tagpovrayorg
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Peter Popov wrote:
> It's your labour of love that has earned you our love :)
Ah gee...
> >I have however found my collection mirrored in totality on some
> >other POV-Ray related websites a couple of which were done without
> >my permission. At first I was really pissed off about it but I
> >decided that since I was still serving the POV-Ray community, even
> >without the credit, that I wasn't going to let it bother me.
>
> That's lame. Do the sites at least mention your name or your site?
One still had "Bookmarks for Ken" at the top of the page :)
> Do the webmasters keep them as up-to-date as you do?
Not one. In fact the couple two or three I found were badly out
of date.
> Has anyone explicitly claimed your credit?
They were simply linked to as "graphics links" or "POV-Ray links"
etc.
> I am only asking because for your hard work you at least deserve the
> credit.
I get credit enough. That is why I decided to not let it bother me.
Even if no one thanked me I would still probably be keeping the
collection going if for no other reason than I like to be able to
find POV-Ray related resources without having to go looking all over
the web to find them. I also enjoy helping others looking for the
same kinds of resources. It's my payback for POV-Ray (thank you
POV-Team) and all of the other free utilities and POV-Ray related
programs I have obtained from other likewise thinking people.
--
Ken Tyler - 1400+ POV-Ray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/
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Ken wrote:
>
> "Greg M. Johnson" wrote:
> >
> > Didn't Ken sort of take some pre-existing lists and make them his own?
>
> Nope. Ken started by bookmarking links found in USENET messages, people's
> sig links, from search engines, hundreds of hours of searching through
> various freeware/shareware sites, and from links submitted to him from
Now listen to a story 'bout a boy named Yang.
A California student whose grades weren't worth a dang
He cut all his classes so that he could surf the net
While taxes bought his beer and a computer for a pet.
Old Yang he got some links and then he got some links some more
His friends all said "Jerry Yang you are a bore!"
And then one day he published on the web
All the links he'd collected, and nothing rhymes with web.
Billionaire, no original content, taxpayer funded.
Yahoo!
---
dik
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Dick Balaska wrote:
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> Old Yang he got some links and then he got some links some more
> His friends all said "Jerry Yang you are a bore!"
> And then one day he published on the web
> All the links he'd collected, and nothing rhymes with web.
Jeb?
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