"Gail Shaw" wrote:
> I noticed. My screen is set to 1024*768 and I'm still
> having to scroll. Wgat resolution was the site designed for???

Not a particular size I think. The problem is the boxes with the under
sections listed. They place the sections in two columns, which makes the
page too wide. Placing them in one column only would fix the problem I
think.

Greetings,

Rune

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"Rune" <run### [at] inamecom> wrote in message
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> "Scott Hill" wrote:
> >     Actually, what I think would be really neat is if that image
> > changed regularly, each time demonstrating different aspects of
> > POVRay - one week a nice Poser girl showing mapping features,
> > the next a teddybear showing the power of media, and so on...
>
> Err, there already *is* a ever-changing image on the front page!
>
> Right now we have an ever-changing image in the middle, and the poser girl
> to the right.
>
> What you want is an ever-changing image in the middle, and another
> ever-changing image to the right? I don't see the reason.
>

    Yeah. But, not so 'ever changing' - just have it change once a week or
even once a month.
    The reason ? Well, granted the center images are nice examples of what
can be achieved with POV, but they're complete scenes and demonstrate a
whole hoard of techniques and methods - the image on the right could show a
much more detailed example of a specific technique, maybe there could even
be a link to the source for the image, a tutorial on the technique or just a
page from the docs. Basically something that people will see, say something
like "that's a neat effect, there's all sorts of things I could do with
that" about and be able to easily find more information about - scene
sources are good, but it can sometimes be difficult to figure out what parts
of someone elses code contribute to the effect/object/texture/whatever
you're interested in (particularly if it's badly (or not) commented).

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Author of Pandora's Box (coming to a web page soon(ish)).

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In article <394### [at] inapginrafr>, Gilles Tran 
<tra### [at] inapginrafr> wrote:
>- I'm not too happy with the colours which are a tad dark, and with the
>Poser girl, which I find too Poseresque (that hair, ahem..)

I thought the Poser girl would have been better if she were linked to a 
description of how to do this in POV.

Jerry

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Jerry wrote:

> I thought the Poser girl would have been better if she were linked to a
> description of how to do this in POV.

For the record, I've written a tutorial about this that should be available
soon... next week if everything goes according to plan.

G.

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I like the page.  Much better than the old ugly colors.

Gilles Tran wrote:
> 
> Just went to the POV-Ray page looking for links, and it happens to have
> a new design !
> It looks like it's still a work in progress. I hope that there will be
> new things in the "under construction pages".
> First remarks:
> - It certainly loads faster (javascript gone) which is better.
> - I'm not too happy with the colours which are a tad dark, and with the
> Poser girl, which I find too Poseresque (that hair, ahem..) and not a
> good demo for the mapping abilities that should be in Povray 3.5.
> What do people think ?
> G.

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"Gilles Tran" wrote:
> Being a long-time Poser user, I really don't object at having
> a Poser model (rendered in Pov-Ray) in the front page. Having
> a realistic-looking human form on the front page is certainly
> a big step ahead from the usual CSG fare. It actually shows
> off one BIG strength of POV-Ray, and a quite undervalued one,
> which is its ability to render meshes from other programmes.

Most good 3D programs can render meshes from other programs, can't they?
Isn't that just what you can expect from a good 3D program?

If it is something you can expect, then it is nothing special, and nothing
unique. Should we "sell" POV-Ray on the argument that it can do what is
expected, or should we sell it on the argument that it can do *more* than
what is expected?

> With uv-mapping and with the help of vertex management
> utilities like those made by Warp and Chris Colefax, there's
> a huge potential in using meshes in Povray.

If this is something POV-Ray can do, and most other 3D programs can't do,
then there would be a good reason to show it. However, these features are
not all available yet when using the official program, and the girl on the
website doesn't seem to take advantage of these features.

> My only (little) problem is that Posette here is a little
> too basic, and looks more like a standard posing example for
> Poser than a true creation, so that there could be room for
> improvement (but there may be more to know about her, who
> knows ?).

I agree. Also, at least one person were offended by the image (not me, but
someone said so in this thread), and you might say that it appeals to the
lowest common denominator. Some more clothes would be appropriate...

Greetings,

Rune

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Rune wrote:

> Some more clothes would be appropriate...

Agreed.  Realistic cloth makes for very impressive graphics.

So ... any volunteers to model her some more modest clothing?

-Mark Gordon

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OH THAT WOMAN ANNOYS ME!

- It scares people away, because of the semi-nudity.
- It's so un-povish.
- It's ugly.

No, seriously. I think that having a semi-nude model not even generated in
Povray on the front page; splashing in your face like that can scare some
people away; especially younger people. And _I'd_ doubt the seriousness of
the product.

And certainly no-one wants to claim that this is made in Povray. Rendered,
perhaps, but that's not good enough; whatever reason the designer had to put
it up.

And it's not a very pretty woman, either. Too skinny. That kind of woman
that makes girls try to loose weight, and so on. I mean it.

Regards,
Simen Kvaal.


>Poser girl, which I find too Poseresque (that hair, ahem..) and not a
>good demo for the mapping abilities that should be in Povray 3.5.
>What do people think ?
>G.

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Those "Under Construction" messages really are bad to the side. It very
unproffessional to even think of leaving such a message. In general,
designers should rather write something in general about that section,
instead of leaving such a big gap. And especially when the UC/FP-ratio is so
high... (Under Construction vs. Finished Page).

One might argue that the colors are a bit dark. There's in general no
problem with dark colors, but here the contrast on the menu-side is way too
low. It looked fine on my monitor, but that's because of my settings and the
lightning in my room at this time ... ;-)

I'm also sick and tired of the Comic Sans (TM) font. This font is over-used
and should be avoided at all cost. I must say that in this context, it works
better than in other places I've seen, though. There are so many good,
freeware fonts out there, so finding something _a bit_ more original
shouldn't be any problem.


Regards (again)
Simen Kvaal.

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>I'm also sick and tired of the Comic Sans (TM) font. This font is over-used
>and should be avoided at all cost. I must say that in this context, it
works
>better than in other places I've seen, though. There are so many good,
>freeware fonts out there, so finding something _a bit_ more original
>shouldn't be any problem.


but on the other hand, I find the 'Please download this font to view this
page
properly' messages irritating.  I like to be able to view a site without
downloading
plugins, fonts, applets etc, etc, etc

Gail
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