Sorry, my mistake and here is the correct one.

> > >  1 st priority: logo __11
> > >  2 nd priority: logo __3
> > >  3 rd priority: logo __12
> > >  4 th priority: logo __4
> > >  5 th priority: logo __13
> > >  6 th priority: logo __14
> > >  7 th priority: logo __10  <---
> > >  8 th priority: logo __6
> > >  9 th priority: logo __5
> > > 10 th priority: logo __15
> > > 11 th priority: logo __1
> > > 12 th priority: logo __7
> > > 13 th priority: logo __2
> > > 14 th priority: logo __9 <---
> > > 15 th priority: logo __8
>

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"Martial" wrote:
>   1 st priority: logo 03
>   2 nd priority: logo 04
>   3 rd priority: logo 06
>   4 th priority: logo 09
>   5 th priority: logo 11
>   6 th priority: logo 13
>   7 th priority: logo 15
>   8 th priority: logo 07
>   9 th priority: logo 05
>  10 th priority: logo 08 <---
>  11 th priority: logo 08 <---
>  12 th priority: logo 10
>  13 th priority: logo 14
>  14 th priority: logo 02
>  15 th priority: logo 12

Sorry, this vote doesn't work.

You have logo 8 two places and logo 1 no place.

You can make a reply to your vote, where you correct this.

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Rune

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"Fabien Mosen" wrote:
> Rune wrote:
>
> > Isn't voting the only way in which all people have
> > evenly great influence on the results?
> > Won't discarding the results of the voting be to
> > doubt the judgment of people?
>
> What's your intention ?  Pick up a winner, or ending
> up with an excellent logo for Povray ?

The winner logo will be the logo that the most people think is an excellent
logo for POV-Ray.
It seems like you think that some people's judgment is better than others.
It might be true, but how can we say which people have the "right" opinion?

A question about which logo is the better one is definitely a subjective
question. The answer will always depend on people's opinions.

I don't want to judge which people have the better opinions, so I give all
people equal influence on the result.

By suggesting that a voting will not necessarily pick the best logo you are
saying that some people's opinions are not as good as others'. You may be of
that opinion, but I am not.

> > Discussion? Many people have voted/will vote in this
> > competition, but only a fraction of those will join
> > a discussion if one were to be made. I am sure of that.
>
> We don't need many people to discuss that.  We need a
> clever discussion, not a numerous one.

I think what I wrote above indicates my opinion on this.

> One more time, it's not about winning, it's about
> getting a good logo.

I think what I wrote above indicates my opinion on this.

> How can you think that a vote can sort the best logo ?  By experience,
> voting usually gives a priority to "less disliked" stuff, and passe by
> stronger choices... voting is a good indication, but is not sufficient.

I think what I wrote above indicates my opinion on this.

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"Andry Gunawan" wrote:
> Sorry, my mistake and here is the correct one.

No problem!

Thanks for your vote, I have registered it now.

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Hold your horses! This should not be a flamewar :)

  Here in Finland when voting for a president, the winner has to get more
than 50% of the votes in order to win. If he/she doesn't get it in the first
round, then a second voting is made with the two candidates who received most
votes in the first round. Now in the second round one of the candidates
surely receives more than 50% of the votes.
  I don't know how much sense does this system make, but I think it's a quite
common system in many countries.
  At least it sounds fair that more than a half of the voters agree about who
is the president.
  The idea is that those who didn't vote for either one of the two final
candidates in the first round will decide who of them is their choice in
the second round (of course there are people who don't vote at all in the
second round, but they are a surprisingly small amount).

  I was just thinking about something like this system. Those who didn't
give highest score to the two/three logos which get highest overall score
can then decide which one of them they like the most. This gives them a
second opportunity to decide, to give their vote. This way we get the
maximum amount of people agreeing about the winner.

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"Rune" <run### [at] inamecom> wrote :
>
> The winner logo will be the logo that the most people think is an
excellent
> logo for POV-Ray.
>

    Then I should withdraw my vote, because although I saw a few adequate
logos and a couple of nice ones I have yet to see an excellent one. I would
hate for my vote to indicate anything other than my favorites among the ones
presented.

    I think it is clear that people have an interest in this and that voting
is the best way to decide the favorite, but without some method of counting
those people who think that none of the logos are good enough we don't
really have an Idea of "what most people think is an excellent logo". Which
is what I agree we should be looking for, but really, none of them,
including the several that I made and did not submit, stood out as a -Great-
Logo for PovRay.

    You say that you had included it (a 'none of the above' selection) in
your first set of rules, but that many people found those rules confusing. I
admit that I lost track of what you were trying to do after a few sentences
and didn't even read the rest. No wonder I didn't comment on it then...

    I appreciate the work you have put into this and will abide by the final
result of this process unless you or someone else decides to take it upon
themselves to do something further, but please remove my vote from the
record.

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Rune wrote:
> The winner logo will be the logo that the most people think is an excellent
> logo for POV-Ray.
> It seems like you think that some people's judgment is better than others.

YES !  Would you prefer to let your neighbour decorate your house (or
whatever),
or would you better trust someone with some talent in that area ?

> It might be true, but how can we say which people have the "right" opinion?
> A question about which logo is the better one is definitely a subjective
> question. The answer will always depend on people's opinions.

Few things are really that subjective.  In this case (logo), we could
easily sort out (by discussing it) a set of _criterias_, and evaluate
the logos according to these criterias; pretty objective way of doing
things, caus' it's easy to discern if a logo match or do not match
a well defined criteria.  It would have been better if these criterias
were set _before_ people started designing logos, but it's not too late.

If, finally, more than one logo fulfills all the criterias, we
could always vote to sort the "best liked", but we then will be sure
that much objectivity was put in the process.

We have the chance to be a wide communauty, and it helps getting
as many good ideas as possible.  Reducing the product of such a
potential creativity to a single-vote-choice is regrettable.

> I think what I wrote above indicates my opinion on this.
... 
> I think what I wrote above indicates my opinion on this.

Me too :-))

Fabien.

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1 st priority: logo 10
2 nd priority: logo 12
3 rd priority: logo 13
4 th priority: logo 14
5 th priority: logo 11
6 th priority: logo 03
7 th priority: logo __
8 th priority: logo __
9 th priority: logo __
10 th priority: logo __
11 th priority: logo __
12 th priority: logo __
13 th priority: logo __
14 th priority: logo __
15 th priority: logo __

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>i think they all suck.  i agree with bob's comment that these logos
>don't show what pov can do.  i think a logo should.  were any of them
>even done with pov?  they could've been done in paint shop pro so far as
>i can tell.

does softimages logo show what softimage can do?
how about lightwaves logo?
or 3dstudio?

logo is plain symbol, it doesn't have to present the quality of software
itself.
pictures created with that software do it.
and professionals who use software know if it is crap or excellent anyway..

and why logos(!) should have been created with povray?
i recommend that you march in any professional art studio and say that their
artists have to use a ray-tracing software for creating black and white
sketches.
i bet you will be laughed out.

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> or 3dstudio?

At least the MAX R2.x did... :)

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