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Nick Portelli wrote:
> I'd hate to offend anyone, but aren't you the people who get all annoyed
> when a thread gets way off topic? Well this is off topic. Take your
> signatures and fight elsewhere.
I wish they would but I am not one to put up with rude and
arrogant.
Does this post bother you? Not the content, the format.
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Matt, I was pretty much ignoring this spat until I noticed that threat. I
agree that it is way out of line and you should protect yourself as best you
can. I can't believe someone would do something like that over one KB of
what, to them, is text.
Just goes to show you that road rage is not all on the road. We must now
drive defensively on the Information Highway. To carry a trite allusion even
further, many who drive '68 Datsuns resent those who drive SUV's and have to
do something to be able to look down on them. Info-terrorism is going a
little too far.
Until now I have not looked at your v-card, and I just now compiled "Warp"'s
sig... not a big deal either way. But as a libertarian I feel that both of
you should carefully do exactly what you want to do and then I will make
plans to do things on my end as a result of that. Unless you send code that
is invasive like a virus, folk should learn to deal.
Matt Giwer <mgi### [at] giwersworld org> wrote in message
news:37B17912.2590D3CE@giwersworld.org...
> Xplo Eristotle wrote:
>
> > To judge from the way Matt gets away with saying "if you don't like my
> > lousy netiquette, filter me", the owners of this server don't seem to
> > care.
>
> "Filter" is the power of any user.
>
> And IF the owners tell me about it, fine. Then I can choose to
> change or not to participate. That will be MY choice.
>
> Your choice is to filter or not to filter. You read my posts on
> my terms, not yours.
>
> > I wonder if I could get Usenet posters to use this guy's email address
> > as spam bait. After all, if he doesn't want to receive all that spam, he
> > can just filter it.. no skin off his nose. :P
>
> Not that is an interesting threat and your email addr as
> instigtator is quite interesting. And your post is forwarded to
> your ISP.
>
> If I do not comply with the dicatations of mere users of this
> you folks are going to get me spammed.
>
> Let me tell you this, boy. IF that happens, you all will regret
> it. And I can do it in a heartbeat. And I will not do one direct
> thing.
>
> Are petty little Hilters going to try to enforce your will on
> everyone else or are you going to grow up and join the human
> race?
>
> You newcomers should never think you know what the internet is
> all about.
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On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:01:51 -0400, Bill DeWitt wrote:
>Matt, I was pretty much ignoring this spat until I noticed that threat. I
>agree that it is way out of line and you should protect yourself as best you
>can. I can't believe someone would do something like that over one KB of
>what, to them, is text.
I can't see Matt's posts any longer, of course, but for once I agree with him.
Such a threat was way out of line.
Actually, I don't want to kill Matt's posts. Maybe in a few days I'll sit
down with the source to slrn and figure out how to filter out vcards. That
would be the productive solution, wouldn't it? :)
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Bill DeWitt wrote:
> Matt, I was pretty much ignoring this spat until I noticed that threat. I
> agree that it is way out of line and you should protect yourself as best you
> can. I can't believe someone would do something like that over one KB of
> what, to them, is text.
I do not mean to prolong this but it looks like there is some
sense showing here. All that ie required for idiocy to prevail is
for the intelligent to remain silent. There are these petty
little stalins and maos that want their way or the gulags for
those who do not bow down.
> Just goes to show you that road rage is not all on the road. We must now
> drive defensively on the Information Highway. To carry a trite allusion even
> further, many who drive '68 Datsuns resent those who drive SUV's and have to
> do something to be able to look down on them. Info-terrorism is going a
> little too far.
I have a different opinion on the US 1st amendment and several
of the items in the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights. If
they insist on the personal right to violate them, they are
anti-american and anti-human rights. They should live in the
Gulags they sent tens of millions of others.
> Until now I have not looked at your v-card, and I just now compiled "Warp"'s
> sig... not a big deal either way. But as a libertarian I feel that both of
> you should carefully do exactly what you want to do and then I will make
> plans to do things on my end as a result of that. Unless you send code that
> is invasive like a virus, folk should learn to deal.
Aa a fellow registered Libertarian since it was possible in
Virginia I have not patience with these petty little dictators.
And IF I should suffer a spam attack, I will publish here exactly
how to innocently get their email addrs into the spammers email
lists.
It is so obvious if you think about it.
Oh my God! They've rendered Kenny!
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Matt Giwer <mgi### [at] giwersworldorg> wrote:
: Are petty little Hilters going to try to enforce your will on
: everyone else or are you going to grow up and join the human
: race?
It is a general rule that people don't send binaries or mime attachments
to non-binaries group. Everyone agrees with this rule.
Now you have this strange obsession about your useless vcard which you
send to every newsgroup, thus breaking the rule. Then you expect everyone
to just shut up and accept the exception in your case.
Your attitude about defending your vcard is just plain childish. You just
tell people to shut up and to "upgrade" their "ancient" newsreaders (by
the way, this newsreader version was released 25 December 1998; quite
ancient...).
So because you have this obsession about some useless mime attachment
which serves absolutely no purpose, you want everyone to change the
netiquette of posting to non-binaries groups and to "upgrade" to "newer"
newsreaders.
The funny thing is that there exists no real reson for your obsession.
A regular signature works just fine and it's much more easy to read for
most of people. There's no reason for you to stop sending mime-formatted
articles and start posting just plain text. It's only an obsession.
You talk about growing up. Perhaps you should look at the mirror.
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Ron Parker wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:35:39 -0400, Matt Giwer wrote:
> >This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> >--------------353C53C99B3BCF3BB8CA77D4
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >Ron Parker wrote:
> >> Just because some idiot at Nutscrape doesn't understand USENET
> >> culture doesn't mean you have to meekly follow along.
> > When .com domains were permitted, internet culture began a
> >permanent change that will never turn back.
> Learn some history, then come tell me about the Internet. If you
> can find me. It wasn't .com that changed the world, it was aol.com
> and netscape.com in particular. And it wasn't for the better.
Did your great-great grandfather hate Henry Ford for ruining his
buggywhip business?
As to learning history, only AOL 4 started using internet
protocol so that is was no mroe than an ISP gateway. Log on to
AOL and use Eudora and everything else just like a real ISP.
And with all the lawsuits and legally (and tax deductable
upgrades) it is the most reliable and available ISP in the US.
And you never have to use an AOL utility. Want to keep running it
down?
Your opinions are yours and like elbows. Everyone has at least
two of them.
> > I am hardly sympathetic to people who try to turn back the clock
> >by claiming a company with maybe 40% of the installed market
> >doesn't understand. And the other big chunck of the installed
> >market is Free Agent. Shall the world go backwards because
> >universities have not paid to move forward?
> Bzzzt. trn is in the #2 spot, with almost as many users as Nutscrape.
> In most non-alt groups, the proportion is higher for trn.
BS to trn. Only in the primitive university market without
graphics.
There are dozens of websites courtiously logging hits by
newreader. tin is in the noise. Look it up. I am not motivated to
deal with such nonsense.
Try it simply this way. Almost EVERY commerical ISP offers
something Win or Mac compatible.
By every industry measure 90% of the installed market in the US
is Win or Mac. Reported usage is 80% Win or Mac.
tin trn and all the varients are in that 10-20% of the rest.
Don't kid yourself. REad the industry news.
Guess what? The current Linux convention expects to draw 20,000
up from 12,000 last year. Now I tell you, that is a real
installed base.
If you have been having your fun BSing the newcomers on this
newsgroup that is your business.
Do not expect me to put up with it. It is likely I have been in
this business since before you were born. And given the
demographics of the computer business ... please, arrogance is
part of being a programmer. What else am I exprssing?
I have no ego impressing someone else. My only ego is when
someone uses what I say and then tells me something I did not
know. That is my one indication of success. Nothing else.
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Matt Giwer wrote:
> Nieminen Mika wrote:
>
> > Ron Parker <par### [at] fwicom> wrote:
> > : As a counterexample I offer Warp's sig. >:)
>
> > At least my sig can be posted without multipart mime-encoding...
>
> Is that a good thing or an old fart stick in the mud position?
>
> > And anyways, it's a good signature. It has my nick. Twice. ;)
>
> And that is a good thing? To post something as a sig that only
> those familar with obscure legal but unprofession C code can read
> if they want to waste the time?
>
> Please explain why and exercise in obscurity is a good thing.
>
Obscure sigs have long been a time-honored tradition in the Internet
community. (now that the video's out, I think I have to change mine).
--
"My new computer's got the clocks, it rocks
But it was obsolete before I opened the box" - W.A.Y.
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Matt Giwer <mgi### [at] giwersworldorg> wrote:
: And that is a good thing? To post something as a sig that only
: those familar with obscure legal but unprofession C code can read
: if they want to waste the time?
: Please explain why and exercise in obscurity is a good thing.
: Yes, you are very clever. Yes you are a horrible example of the
: art of programming.
First of all, you should read http://www.ioccc.org/. I quote:
> Goals of the Contest
>
> To write the most Obscure/Obfuscated C program under the rules below.
> To show the importance of programming style, in an ironic way.
> To stress C compilers with unusual code.
> To illustrate some of the subtleties of the C language.
> To provide a safe forum for poor C code. :-)
Signatures are not part of a contest, but you should get an idea about
what's the mentality behind obfuscated C (or any other programming language).
Signatures usually contain information about the sender, but often they
also have some interesting things, like quotes, url's, jokes, etc.
My signature is intended to be a kind of riddle (in the context of
obfuscated C). Often someone gets curious about what does it do and then
tries to compile and run it and gets surprised. Sometimes these people
write to me asking me how is it done. They feel the joy of discovering
something unexpected.
The signature seldom offends or annoys anyone. It's just 2 lines long,
it's always located at the very end of the text and it doesn't add anything
else to the article. That is, it doesn't disturb the reading of the article.
Everyone can (or at least should) see that it's just a signature.
And besides, why do you whine about the _contents_ of my signature? I
have never said anything about the contents of your signature. It's only
the way you send it which is annoying. There should be absolutely no reason
to blame anyone for the contents of his/her signature.
However, if I use a gif as my signature and send it uuencoded or
mime-encoded, that's not good anymore.
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):5;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/
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Nieminen Mika wrote:
> Matt Giwer <mgi### [at] giwersworldorg> wrote:
> : Are petty little Hilters going to try to enforce your will on
> : everyone else or are you going to grow up and join the human
> : race?
> It is a general rule that people don't send binaries or mime attachments
> to non-binaries group. Everyone agrees with this rule.
Since when is MIME encapsulation a binary? Can you direct me to
an rule of the owners of this newsgroup prohibiting it? IF not
why are you trying to recreate your own primitive non-graphic
environment?
> Now you have this strange obsession about your useless vcard which you
> send to every newsgroup, thus breaking the rule. Then you expect everyone
> to just shut up and accept the exception in your case.
Where do the owners of this newsgroup have that rule stated?
Please state EXACTLY where that rule is stated.
I have no obsession with it. I have an interest that your rude,
crude and close to vulgar objection to it was expressed. I do not
take carp seriously.
> Your attitude about defending your vcard is just plain childish. You just
> tell people to shut up and to "upgrade" their "ancient" newsreaders (by
> the way, this newsreader version was released 25 December 1998; quite
> ancient...).
Ancient and primative appear to have different meanings. It
appears the creators of your 1998 version srs still using stone
axes.
> So because you have this obsession about some useless mime attachment
> which serves absolutely no purpose, you want everyone to change the
> netiquette of posting to non-binaries groups and to "upgrade" to "newer"
> newsreaders.
FILTER ME PLEASE!!!!!
I do not want to bother you in the least. So FILTER me.
You insist upon being offended and then complaining about it.
Filter me and go away. You are not worth a fingernail to me.
> The funny thing is that there exists no real reson for your obsession.
> A regular signature works just fine and it's much more easy to read for
> most of people. There's no reason for you to stop sending mime-formatted
> articles and start posting just plain text. It's only an obsession.
Filter me and go away.
> You talk about growing up. Perhaps you should look at the mirror.
Filter me and go away.
But you will not as you imagined hitlerite control of this
newsgroup would be challenged if you could not respond to me.
What in the hell is your excuse for not filtering me instead of
being rude to me which started all this?
Give it your best shot.
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Matt Giwer <mgi### [at] giwersworldorg> wrote:
: Variety is something we cherish in the modern world. Only
: Communists and Nazis said everyone had to be the same.
That's exactly the reason why you should take into account those who
are using newsreaders which are not able to handle every kind of attachments.
Not everyone can or want to use the same newsreader as you do. If you don't
consider other people who are using other newsreader, you are very impolite.
: Use your filter to stop reading me instead of trying to play
: hitlerite dictator. FILTER! FILTER! FILTER! And go away.
And the reason for insulting me in this way: A vcard.
How old are you?
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