On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:24:45 -0800, Mike Thorn <mik### [at] realitycheckmultimediacom>
wrote:
> Did anybody withdraw their image(s) for tweaking after the competition?
> 
> Just curious whether I should spend the next two months sprucing up my 
> image or maybe try a second entry (I have a few interesting ideas). :)
> 
> Originally I was going to put "created in spare time over about two 
> weeks" in the description, but if I'm not careful I'm going to have to 
> take out that part about "spare" time. :)
> 
> ~Mike


I plan on pulling my image but only after a few attempts at tweeking it.
I feel I need a backup incase my computer dies from too much abuse and heat
stroke :)

Chris

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 20:34:46 -0800, Mike Thorn <mik### [at] realitycheckmultimediacom>
wrote:
> Christoph Hormann wrote:
> > That's comletely up to you but if you think your second entry is/will be 
> > much better than the first you might want to do the second one as a 
> > replacement anyway.  You are also free to show your images (for example 
> > in p.b.i.) and ask others which they think is better.
> 

" Even just from seeing the one image that has been revealed (I don't remember the
author...I
  believe the name of the image was "Girl With An Earring" or something along that
line), I can 
  tell you that my entry is completely different, technically and thematically."


   I agree with Mike. My image also has a totally different theme to the one he
mentioned as well.
Do many of the other CG contests run with a wide open theme ?
   I also posted a version of my own image to p.b.i. and got some great feedback - and

probably another hundrerd hours or so of modeling, texture and trial renderings.
Isn't this fun :)

Chris Holtorf

Chris Holtorf wrote:
 >    I agree with Mike. My image also has a totally different theme to 
the one he mentioned as well.
 > Do many of the other CG contests run with a wide open theme ?
 >    I also posted a version of my own image to p.b.i. and got some 
great feedback - and
 > probably another hundrerd hours or so of modeling, texture and trial 
renderings.
 > Isn't this fun :)

I'm convinced. As soon as it finishes rendering (I'm never going to use 
focal blur again!) I'll post it up for feedback. I'm not exactly sure 
why they'd want to HELP me, since it's just better competition, but I 
won't argue. :)

~Mike

> That's comletely up to you but if you think your second entry is/will be
> much better than the first you might want to do the second one as a
> replacement anyway.  You are also free to show your images (for example
> in p.b.i.) and ask others which they think is better.


Of course, you can always submit two (or even three) images, right? Choosing
between the two isn't necessary unless you want to focus on one of them to
save time.

 - Slime
 [ http://www.slimeland.com/ ]

> " Even just from seeing the one image that has been revealed (I don't
remember the author...I
>   believe the name of the image was "Girl With An Earring" or something
along that line), I can
>   tell you that my entry is completely different, technically and
thematically."
>
>
>    I agree with Mike. My image also has a totally different theme to the
one he mentioned as well.
> Do many of the other CG contests run with a wide open theme ?

It may be difficult for the judges, but it will also be best for POV-Ray
this way; the contest results will appeal to more people with different
interests, and that will cause more people to check out the program.

Hopefully there will be an image which is technically and artistically
superior to the others, which will get first place. Then the rest of the
best images may get spread out over the next 25 places or so.

 - Slime
 [ http://www.slimeland.com/ ]

"Mike Thorn" <mik### [at] realitycheckmultimediacom> wrote in message 
news:41959a9e$1@news.povray.org...
> Did anybody withdraw their image(s) for tweaking after the competition?

I intend to put a great deal more work into my image.  I have already 
started to fix some of the technical problems.  The funny thing is that 
certain types of technical problems can look like "features" from a 
distance, but they look quite awful in the larger renders.  So then I had to 
make adjustments for that as well.

Anyway, I've said all along that I had a huge list of things that I wanted 
to do with my image, and it was simply a matter of doing what was 
technically feasible and a matter of dealing with the time-constraint of the 
original 2.5 months.  Now I'm adding in some of those other features/objects 
that time forced me to leave out of the original.  When I get all of that in 
there, and when I get my new renders all done, I'll withdraw and resubmit. 
Worst case, something happens to me and I can't resubmit, the old image is 
still there.

> Just curious whether I should spend the next two months sprucing up my 
> image or maybe try a second entry (I have a few interesting ideas). :)
>

In my opinion, if you are aware of ANY problems with your image, whether 
technical or artistic, I think it would be worthwhile to spruce it up.  Of 
course, there is always the possibility of ruining a good image, but I guess 
that's a risk you'll have to weigh.

-- 
Jeremy
www.beantoad.com

"Slime" <fak### [at] emailaddress> wrote in message 
news:41965821$1@news.povray.org...
>> " Even just from seeing the one image that has been revealed (I don't
> remember the author...I
>>   believe the name of the image was "Girl With An Earring" or something
> along that line), I can
>>   tell you that my entry is completely different, technically and
> thematically."
>>
>>
>>    I agree with Mike. My image also has a totally different theme to the
> one he mentioned as well.
>> Do many of the other CG contests run with a wide open theme ?
>
> It may be difficult for the judges, but it will also be best for POV-Ray
> this way; the contest results will appeal to more people with different
> interests, and that will cause more people to check out the program.

Yes.  Personally, I hope there are other POVers out there who have done 
things very unlike my image.  POV-Ray is so versatile and good for so 
producing so many varied results, that I think it will be great to see a 
huge variety of "what can be done".  As I've jokingly said before, trying to 
fit every really-cool POV-Ray feature into one image would be great, but 
realistically, it couldn't be done.  However, having many images each 
presenting certain features seems like a great idea.  But I can see how it 
will be difficult for the judges.  But hey, not my problem... ;-)

-- 
Jeremy
www.beantoad.com

Jeremy M. Praay wrote:
> In my opinion, if you are aware of ANY problems with your image, whether 
> technical or artistic, I think it would be worthwhile to spruce it up.  Of 
> course, there is always the possibility of ruining a good image, but I guess 
> that's a risk you'll have to weigh.

I guess the difficulty is defining "problem" in this case. To me, my 
image isn't quite as "grand" and crystal-choir-type as I'd imagined it 
in my mind. But I'm not really sure what can be done to fix it. Maybe 
once it finishes rendering (I wasn't kidding about never again using 
focal blur...4.75 hours and only now getting to line 1 of the first-pass 
render) p.b.i can tell me what's wrong with it.

It's one of those cases where it *could* of course be improved (what 
can't??) but it's a matter of what exactly to do and how much of a 
difference the additional time will make. I'm between a rock and a hard 
place, really. :)

~Mike

Mike Thorn wrote:

> That brings up an interesting thought I had yesterday. I don't know how
> the judges are going to judge the entries but it seems like this is
> going to be the hardest judgement of their lives. Even just from seeing
> the one image that has been revealed (I don't remember the author...I
> believe the name of the image was "Girl With An Earring" or something
> along that line)...

I give that one points for quoting Vermeer, and the dawn of "triomphe d'oil"
illusionism.

However, I give dings for...

It's one picture of one girl, mirrored. Real twins need differences in
personality and clothing. A face's lips should be just a little
discontinuous to avoid feeling like a sneer. Also giving up on the
background and framing doesn't help.

-- 
  Phlip
  http://industrialxp.org/community/bin/view/Main/TestFirstUserInterfaces

Unsubmit??? ...I'm going to be lucky to have something to *submit* by 
January 31st. I've had about half a dozen image ideas, semi-completed 
two of them, and don't like either one. Bah humbug.

I guess my problem is trying to figure out what is a good showcase of 
POV-Ray's features without being too simplistic scene-wise. Radiosity, 
photons, media and area lights don't make a good image. I can make a 
really ugly model, apply all the above techniques, render it for three 
days and still end up with a very ugly model! :) (which is, in fact, 
what I think I have done)

Ramble ramble ramble...sorry.