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From: Cousin Ricky
Subject: Re: Secret Passage WIP (TINA CHeP)
Date: 1 Nov 2014 12:10:00
Message: <web.545505b4cbb3d815192ae5f10@news.povray.org>
"Cousin Ricky" <rickysttATyahooDOTcom> wrote:
>   Jaime explains the technique at his Web site:
>
>    http://www.ignorancia.org/en/index.php?page=Two_Pass_Radiosity

The example scene file was written for POV-Ray 3.5.  Note that in POV-Ray 3.7,
the load_file and save_file keywords have been replaced with command line
options.


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From: Bald Eagle
Subject: Re: Secret Passage WIP (TINA CHeP)
Date: 1 Nov 2014 14:00:01
Message: <web.54551f7acbb3d8155e7df57c0@news.povray.org>
> Does the height_field have some reflections enabled?

Ayup.
I'm gonna guess that the reflectivity and the antialiasing are the double
whammy.

> You try do switch that off. As far as the radiosity is concerned, I do not see
anything
> that really slows down a render; I use those settings currently myself.
> You can increase error_bound to 1.0 and try with recursion_limit 2.

There's a lot of reflective Victorian gold stuff, so I'm guessing that's the
real bottleneck.  Even the wallpaper has reflective gold.

I mouse-selected everything except the left-hand side, and I'm at 42% after 3h.
You go, little Acer Aspire One!  You can do it!  :D

When I set up the scene for simplified textures, do I still use +Q9?
I'm assuming I need a block of if / simple textures / else / complex ones / end

This is gonna prove the 90/10 rule.
"The last 10% of a project takes up 90% of the time and effort."


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From: Bald Eagle
Subject: Re: Secret Passage WIP (TINA CHeP)
Date: 1 Nov 2014 15:20:02
Message: <web.54553140cbb3d8155e7df57c0@news.povray.org>
OK, I think that the remaining 58% getting completed supports the whole
reflectivity problem.
4h 12 min total.

Here ya go:


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From: jhu
Subject: Re: Secret Passage WIP (TINA CHeP)
Date: 1 Nov 2014 20:00:01
Message: <web.54557325cbb3d815d19b0ec40@news.povray.org>
"Bald Eagle" <cre### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
> OK, I think that the remaining 58% getting completed supports the whole
> reflectivity problem.
> 4h 12 min total.
>
> Here ya go:

That looks much better. You should use area lights. Those shadows are too
abrupt.


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: Secret Passage WIP (TINA CHeP)
Date: 3 Nov 2014 10:41:08
Message: <5457a214$1@news.povray.org>

> Alain <kua### [at] videotronca> wrote:
>> Looks like your shades may not let the light pass through, or maybe the
>> lights are accidently located inside an opaque part of your fixtures.
>
> I have the point light sources moved to the proper positions now, what I need to
> do is give the impression that there is actually a light THERE - not necessarily
> a filament, but that radiating glow that emanates out through the glass.
> My knee-jerk reaction is to incorporate media...

No need for media.
If using radiosity, a look_like sphere, or any shape you may want, with 
an emissive finish will do.
Another way would be to use the back side illumination feature. Simply 
adding a second value to the diffuse parameter turn that on. (diffuse 
0.1 0.7 will diffuse mostly from the back side) Works great with radiosity.

If using photons, beter add photons{pass_through} to the fixture.

...
> Off to make adjustments and render it out again...
>


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From: Bald Eagle
Subject: Re: Secret Passage WIP (TINA CHeP)
Date: 3 Nov 2014 22:05:01
Message: <web.54584233cbb3d8155e7df57c0@news.povray.org>
Alain <kua### [at] videotronca> wrote:

> No need for media.
> If using radiosity, a look_like sphere, or any shape you may want, with
> an emissive finish will do.
> Another way would be to use the back side illumination feature. Simply
> adding a second value to the diffuse parameter turn that on. (diffuse
> 0.1 0.7 will diffuse mostly from the back side) Works great with radiosity.

Well, I modeled a bulb with a filament, and it looks ok in the include file
render.  Replacing the point light sources with these bulbs gives me --- eeek.


Here's my lampshade glass:

  //  Glass
  difference {
   cone {<0, 0, 0>, 1.95, <0, 4.625, 0>, 3.875}
   cone {<0, 0, 0>, 1.95, <0, 4.625, 0>, 3.875 scale <0.9, 1.2, 0.9>}
   translate < 7.687, 0.4375, 0>
   interior {ior 1.5}
   texture {pigment {rgbt <1, 0.7, 0, 0.9>} finish {emission 0.7}}
   double_illuminate
   }


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From: Bald Eagle
Subject: Re: Secret Passage WIP (TINA CHeP)
Date: 3 Nov 2014 22:10:00
Message: <web.54584375cbb3d8155e7df57c0@news.povray.org>
Here's my WIP lightbulb include file - I want to make a little point of glass at
the top like an old-time hand-blown bulb...  blob?

(Screw base is borrowed from
// Persistence of Vision Ray Tracer Scene Description File
// File: bulbsokt.pov
// Vers: 3.1
// Desc: Item in "Household fixtures" series
// Date: 7OCT2000
// Auth: James R. Wilson jwi### [at] twcnyrrcom
//
// A standard light bulb and a porcelain socket
// Scale: decimal inches
)


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From: Bald Eagle
Subject: Re: Secret Passage WIP (TINA CHeP)
Date: 3 Nov 2014 22:15:00
Message: <web.5458440dcbb3d8155e7df57c0@news.povray.org>
I'm gonna guess that this is a max trace level issue...


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Secret Passage WIP (TINA CHeP)
Date: 4 Nov 2014 03:06:21
Message: <545888fd@news.povray.org>
On 4-11-2014 4:12, Bald Eagle wrote:
> I'm gonna guess that this is a max trace level issue...
>

But radiosity is switched off in this scene surely??

Thomas


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From: Bald Eagle
Subject: Re: Secret Passage WIP (TINA CHeP)
Date: 4 Nov 2014 08:05:00
Message: <web.5458cecbcbb3d8155e7df57c0@news.povray.org>
Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> On 4-11-2014 4:12, Bald Eagle wrote:
> > I'm gonna guess that this is a max trace level issue...
> >
>
> But radiosity is switched off in this scene surely??
>
> Thomas

It surely was, but enabling it didn't do much except add a bit of "fill light"
to the dark region.  I'm no longer sure it's a max_trace_level thing, since I
commented out the glass of the bulb, and raise MTL from 5 to 7 ....  Must have
something to do with the looks_like {Filament}?

I've only ever tried using light bulbs or looks_like a few times before, and
it's always a frustrating experience.


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