On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:18:49 -0400, alphaQuad wrote:

> The Agnostic is not living a significant life.

Bull.

The agnostic is just saying "I don't know if there is a god or not".

But who are you to judge?  Does not the bible state "judge not, lest ye 
be judged"?

Jim

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alphaQuad wrote:

> Whats worse is, if you had a reason to know but forgot.

Like: you really *knew* there was no god while
trying to compile pov with mingw on win98se ;)

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:18:49 -0400, alphaQuad wrote:
> 
>> The Agnostic is not living a significant life.
> 
> Bull.
> 
> The agnostic is just saying "I don't know if there is a god or not".
> 
> But who are you to judge?  Does not the bible state "judge not, lest ye 
> be judged"?
> 
> Jim

<soapbox>
Apologies for being so off-topic, but Matthew 7 is being abused here. You should not
quote Jesus Christ out of context 
like this.  Read the passage in the context of the teaching.  I know non-Christians
like to whip this verse out whenever 
they want to do something immoral - just to shut the Christians up, but Matthew 7 just
can't be intelligently 
interpreted to mean that.

The verse doesn't advise use to tell each other not to "judge" us, it's an admonition
against feeling like we're "good" 
by comparing ourselves to someone else.  The verse is about holding ourselves to God's
standard for us, it's not for 
unbelievers to stop all criticism from believers.
</soapbox>

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Bryan Valencia wrote:
> I give up.
> 
> No matter what I try (and I have wasted about 16 hours on it) the 
> atmosphere effect I want is always gone well before I can see any sky.  
> Geez, this is just too f'ing hard.


Perhaps what I want is unrealistic, but it does exist in reality.

I want there to be blue sky, a slight amount of atmosphere, so I can see the giant
triangular volumetric shadows of the 
buildings in the air.  I used to marvel at the sight of that when I worked in San
Fransisco.

Oh, and another criteria is that I want it to render before my grandkids die of old
age.

:)

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On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:53:54 -0700, Bryan Valencia wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:18:49 -0400, alphaQuad wrote:
>> 
>>> The Agnostic is not living a significant life.
>> 
>> Bull.
>> 
>> The agnostic is just saying "I don't know if there is a god or not".
>> 
>> But who are you to judge?  Does not the bible state "judge not, lest ye
>> be judged"?
>> 
>> Jim
> 
> <soapbox>
> Apologies for being so off-topic, but Matthew 7 is being abused here.
> You should not quote Jesus Christ out of context like this.  Read the
> passage in the context of the teaching.  I know non-Christians like to
> whip this verse out whenever they want to do something immoral - just to
> shut the Christians up, but Matthew 7 just can't be intelligently
> interpreted to mean that.
> 
> The verse doesn't advise use to tell each other not to "judge" us, it's
> an admonition against feeling like we're "good" by comparing ourselves
> to someone else.  The verse is about holding ourselves to God's standard
> for us, it's not for unbelievers to stop all criticism from believers.
> </soapbox>

Of course, if I were to whip out my soapbox, I'd say something about it 
only being reasonable to quote things out of context when it's to 
*support* a Christian point of view; I've seen it *many* times over the 
years.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Jim

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On 30 Jul 2008 16:26:51 -0400, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom>
wrote:

>On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:53:54 -0700, Bryan Valencia wrote:
>
>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:18:49 -0400, alphaQuad wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The Agnostic is not living a significant life.
>>> 
>>> Bull.
>>> 
>>> The agnostic is just saying "I don't know if there is a god or not".
>>> 
>>> But who are you to judge?  Does not the bible state "judge not, lest ye
>>> be judged"?
>>> 
>>> Jim
>> 
>> <soapbox>
>> Apologies for being so off-topic, but Matthew 7 is being abused here.
>> You should not quote Jesus Christ out of context like this.  Read the
>> passage in the context of the teaching.  I know non-Christians like to
>> whip this verse out whenever they want to do something immoral - just to
>> shut the Christians up, but Matthew 7 just can't be intelligently
>> interpreted to mean that.
>> 
>> The verse doesn't advise use to tell each other not to "judge" us, it's
>> an admonition against feeling like we're "good" by comparing ourselves
>> to someone else.  The verse is about holding ourselves to God's standard
>> for us, it's not for unbelievers to stop all criticism from believers.
>> </soapbox>
>
>Of course, if I were to whip out my soapbox, I'd say something about it 
>only being reasonable to quote things out of context when it's to 
>*support* a Christian point of view; I've seen it *many* times over the 
>years.
>
>What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
>
>Jim

The problem with this is that you will never convince someone who
belives in mythology.  You might just as well have tried to convince
an acient Greek, Roman or Viking that they were wrong. They all had
writings of some sort to "prove" that they were right

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On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 09:34:34 +0100, john wrote:

> The problem with this is that you will never convince someone who
> belives in mythology.  You might just as well have tried to convince an
> acient Greek, Roman or Viking that they were wrong. They all had
> writings of some sort to "prove" that they were right

That's certainly true enough....

Jim

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Bryan Valencia <no### [at] waycom> wrote:
> Bryan Valencia wrote:
> > First W.I.P.
> >
> > I wish there was a way to make the atmosphere thin enough to still see
> > the colors of the sky sphere.
> and now the attachment.

I think it is largely a question of angle of incidence (depending on your
scattering type) and clipping so that the media doesn't extend too far.  It can
be done, but does require tweaking.  If you post your source, I may be able to
help.



Test/example image attached, rendered it and saved radiosity without media, then
loaded saved radiosity file for the final trace.  Machine is a P4 3.00GHz single
core.  Media was constrained to the top half of a sphere 100 units in radius.

Render statistics:
  Total Time:    0 hours  3 minutes 20 seconds (200 seconds)
CPU time used: kernel 0.50 seconds, user 196.98 seconds, total 197.48 seconds
Render averaged 2430.57 PPS over 480000 pixels


Media block used:
//-------------- start code
media
{
    intervals 1
    samples 100
    confidence 1 - 1/255
    variance 1/255
    ratio 0.9 // adjust for scattering media
    scattering
    {
     1, color rgb <1,.9,.75> / 200
     extinction 0.5     // for balancing amount of absorption [1.0]
    }
    method 3               // adaptive sampling
    aa_threshold 0.1     // accuracy threshold for method 3 [0.1]
    aa_level 4           // maximum recursion depth for method 3 [4]
    density{ color rgb <1,1,1> }
}
//-------------- end code

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"alphaQuad" <alp### [at] earthlinknet> wrote:
>
> The Agnostic is not living a significant life. Such was only meant to be known
> on a personal level. Whats worse is, if you had a reason to know but forgot.

Pardon me, but who are you to say that someone else is not living a significant
life?  Can make such a profound categorical statement about people's lives
based on a mere difference of opinion?

Are you referring to the agnostic's refusal to aver what he doesn't know, or to
an agnostic's having insufficient reason to believe in God?  If the latter,
then are you aware that Gene Roddenberry was an atheist?  Was *his* life
insignificant?

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Bryan Valencia <no### [at] waycom> wrote:
>
> Apologies for being so off-topic, but Matthew 7 is being abused here. You should not
quote Jesus Christ out of contex
t
> like this.  Read the passage in the context of the teaching.  I know non-Christians
like to whip this verse out whene
ver
> they want to do something immoral -

No, non-Christians like to whip this verse out when Christians won't mind their
own business.

> - just to shut the Christians up...

You got that part right.  Read verse 6, same chapter.

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