I am rendering a chinese chess set for a presentation and I need a list
of the character codes for the symbols. In my experiments I've had
trouble like
the guy in the previous message. I don't know a word of chinese,
I don't own a chinese computer or anything, but I HAVE GOT TO GET THIS
THING DONE. Please, whoever can help, I implore you... Help me. I don't
even know how to get the superpatch to output these characters. I don't
even know if I'm using a double byte font. I'm trying to do it with
MingLiU, which popped up after I installed the traditional chinese
multilanguage add-on for Explorer. Help me. Somebody. I've tried to find

information all day. I'm really tired. Help me.

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In article <36A34630.E37F86FA@panama.phoenix.net> , Anthony Bennett
<ben### [at] panamaphoenixnet>  wrote:

>I am rendering a chinese chess set for a presentation and I need a list
>of the character codes for the symbols. In my experiments I've had
>trouble like
>the guy in the previous message. I don't know a word of chinese,
>I don't own a chinese computer or anything, but I HAVE GOT TO GET THIS
>THING DONE. Please, whoever can help, I implore you... Help me. I don't
>even know how to get the superpatch to output these characters. I don't
>even know if I'm using a double byte font. I'm trying to do it with
>MingLiU, which popped up after I installed the traditional chinese
>multilanguage add-on for Explorer. Help me. Somebody. I've tried to find
>
>information all day. I'm really tired. Help me.

Currently POV-Ray does not support two byte characters (Unicode) at all. Only ASCII
codes (0 to 127) work for most fonts.


    Thorsten

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On Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:52:27 -0600, Thorsten Froehlich 
	<fro### [at] charliecnsiitedu> wrote:
>In article <36A34630.E37F86FA@panama.phoenix.net> , Anthony Bennett
><ben### [at] panamaphoenixnet>  wrote:
>>I don't
>>even know how to get the superpatch to output these characters. I don't
>>even know if I'm using a double byte font. I'm trying to do it with
>>MingLiU, which popped up after I installed the traditional chinese
>>multilanguage add-on for Explorer. Help me. Somebody. I've tried to find
>
>Currently POV-Ray does not support two byte characters (Unicode) at all. Only ASCII
>codes (0 to 127) work for most fonts.

That's why he mentioned the Superpatch :)  It does include Kochin 
Chang's patches for DBCS fonts, and an attempt at handling Unicode 
characters, but to tell the truth I've never been able to get the 
Unicode stuff to work, and I don't have ready access to a DBCS 
font for testing.  I'll look into this a little harder and post 
my findings here, unless somebody beats me to it.

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Ron Parker wrote:

> On Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:52:27 -0600, Thorsten Froehlich
>         <fro### [at] charliecnsiitedu> wrote:
> >In article <36A34630.E37F86FA@panama.phoenix.net> , Anthony Bennett
> ><ben### [at] panamaphoenixnet>  wrote:
> >>I don't
> >>even know how to get the superpatch to output these characters. I don't
> >>even know if I'm using a double byte font. I'm trying to do it with
> >>MingLiU, which popped up after I installed the traditional chinese
> >>multilanguage add-on for Explorer. Help me. Somebody. I've tried to find
> >
> >Currently POV-Ray does not support two byte characters (Unicode) at all. Only ASCII
> >codes (0 to 127) work for most fonts.
>
> That's why he mentioned the Superpatch :)  It does include Kochin
> Chang's patches for DBCS fonts, and an attempt at handling Unicode
> characters, but to tell the truth I've never been able to get the
> Unicode stuff to work, and I don't have ready access to a DBCS
> font for testing.  I'll look into this a little harder and post
> my findings here, unless somebody beats me to it.

Well, if you have Windows 95 or NT and HTTP, then you do have ready access. If you go
to
http://www.microsoft.com/ie/ and get to the downloads for IE 3, the extras have
'Multilanguage support' down there somewhere. They are simply sets of standard MS
Windows NLS files and fonts bundled up. Pan-European, Korean, Chinese & Japanese.
These
are really more of Windows suppliments than just IE components.

Also, for personal use/evaluation, you can get a Unicode font from Bitstream
(Bitstream
Cyberbit).

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Ron Parker wrote:

> On Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:52:27 -0600, Thorsten Froehlich
>         <fro### [at] charliecnsiitedu> wrote:
> >In article <36A34630.E37F86FA@panama.phoenix.net> , Anthony Bennett
> ><ben### [at] panamaphoenixnet>  wrote:
> >>I don't
> >>even know how to get the superpatch to output these characters. I don't
> >>even know if I'm using a double byte font. I'm trying to do it with
> >>MingLiU, which popped up after I installed the traditional chinese
> >>multilanguage add-on for Explorer. Help me. Somebody. I've tried to find
> >
> >Currently POV-Ray does not support two byte characters (Unicode) at all. Only ASCII
> >codes (0 to 127) work for most fonts.
>
> That's why he mentioned the Superpatch :)  It does include Kochin
> Chang's patches for DBCS fonts, and an attempt at handling Unicode
> characters, but to tell the truth I've never been able to get the
> Unicode stuff to work, and I don't have ready access to a DBCS
> font for testing.  I'll look into this a little harder and post
> my findings here, unless somebody beats me to it.

Well, if you have Windows 95 or NT and HTTP, then you do have ready
access. If you go to
http://www.microsoft.com/ie/ and get to the downloads for IE 3, the
extras have
'Multilanguage support' down there somewhere. They are simply sets of
standard MS
Windows NLS files and fonts bundled up. Pan-European, Korean, Chinese &
Japanese. These
are really more of Windows suppliments than just IE components.

Also, for personal use/evaluation, you can get a Unicode font from
Bitstream (Bitstream
Cyberbit).

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Hello.
Hope these would help.












Kieu

Anthony Bennett wrote:

> I am rendering a chinese chess set for a presentation and I need a list
> of the character codes for the symbols. In my experiments I've had
> trouble like
> the guy in the previous message. I don't know a word of chinese,
> I don't own a chinese computer or anything, but I HAVE GOT TO GET THIS
> THING DONE. Please, whoever can help, I implore you... Help me. I don't
> even know how to get the superpatch to output these characters. I don't
> even know if I'm using a double byte font. I'm trying to do it with
> MingLiU, which popped up after I installed the traditional chinese
> multilanguage add-on for Explorer. Help me. Somebody. I've tried to find
>
> information all day. I'm really tired. Help me.

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For us poor folks who can't read Chinese...
http://charts.unicode.org/unihan.html is quite handy.

I'm guessing that the codes you posted were in Big5.













Kieu wrote:

> Hello.
> Hope these would help.











>
> Kieu
>
> Anthony Bennett wrote:
>
> > I am rendering a chinese chess set for a presentation and I need a list
> > of the character codes for the symbols. In my experiments I've had
> > trouble like
> > the guy in the previous message. I don't know a word of chinese,
> > I don't own a chinese computer or anything, but I HAVE GOT TO GET THIS
> > THING DONE. Please, whoever can help, I implore you... Help me. I don't
> > even know how to get the superpatch to output these characters. I don't
> > even know if I'm using a double byte font. I'm trying to do it with
> > MingLiU, which popped up after I installed the traditional chinese
> > multilanguage add-on for Explorer. Help me. Somebody. I've tried to find
> >
> > information all day. I'm really tired. Help me.

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On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:40:18 -0800, Jon A. Cruz <jon### [at] geocitiescom> wrote:
>For us poor folks who can't read Chinese...
>http://charts.unicode.org/unihan.html is quite handy.

Indeed it is.  With the assistance of the charts there, plus the 
character map utility that comes with NT, plus the nice Unicode 
fonts that come with NT, I've determined that Unicode support in 
the Superpatch is none too great.  I need to recompile with some 
debugging and see just what it's doing, but it seems as though it 
is unable to find the characters I tell it to as double-byte 
characters, so it tries to use single-byte ones instead.  For 
example, 0x05D0 is the Hebrew character Aleph, but when I try to 
use it it seems to find character 0xF005 (a squiggly comma-like 
thing in user space) and "Latin Capital Letter Eth", a D with a 
line through it, which is at location 0xD0.  I don't know what 
this does with DBCS fonts - it may actually work - but it sure 
doesn't work with these Unicode fonts.  (0xF005 is what it tries 
automatically if it fails to find 0x05) When I know more, I'll 
post it here.

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On Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:33:20 -0500, Anthony Bennett
<ben### [at] panamaphoenixnet> wrote:

>I am rendering a chinese chess set for a presentation and I need a list
>of the character codes for the symbols. In my experiments I've had
>trouble like
>the guy in the previous message. I don't know a word of chinese,
>I don't own a chinese computer or anything, but I HAVE GOT TO GET THIS
>THING DONE. Please, whoever can help, I implore you... Help me. I don't
>even know how to get the superpatch to output these characters. I don't
>even know if I'm using a double byte font. I'm trying to do it with
>MingLiU, which popped up after I installed the traditional chinese
>multilanguage add-on for Explorer. Help me. Somebody. I've tried to find

Okay, I found the problem, but I'm not sure how to deal with it.  The
thing is, it tries to convert whatever DBCS characters you give it to 
Unicode using the Japanese locale (this is hard-coded!).  As a result,
trying to use pure Unicode values does not work.  In fact, I can't
even get any Japanese values to work, either, but that may be because
I don't have the proper codepages installed.  In any event, I'm
considering just nuking the locale support and requiring Unicode.  Is
there any objection to this?

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"Ronald L. Parker" wrote:

> On Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:33:20 -0500, Anthony Bennett
> <ben### [at] panamaphoenixnet> wrote:
>
> >I am rendering a chinese chess set for a presentation and I need a list
> >of the character codes for the symbols. In my experiments I've had
> >trouble like
> >the guy in the previous message. I don't know a word of chinese,
> >I don't own a chinese computer or anything, but I HAVE GOT TO GET THIS
> >THING DONE. Please, whoever can help, I implore you... Help me. I don't
> >even know how to get the superpatch to output these characters. I don't
> >even know if I'm using a double byte font. I'm trying to do it with
> >MingLiU, which popped up after I installed the traditional chinese
> >multilanguage add-on for Explorer. Help me. Somebody. I've tried to find
>
> Okay, I found the problem, but I'm not sure how to deal with it.  The
> thing is, it tries to convert whatever DBCS characters you give it to
> Unicode using the Japanese locale (this is hard-coded!).  As a result,
> trying to use pure Unicode values does not work.  In fact, I can't
> even get any Japanese values to work, either, but that may be because
> I don't have the proper codepages installed.  In any event, I'm
> considering just nuking the locale support and requiring Unicode.  Is
> there any objection to this?

My suggestion is to go ahead and drop MBCS and switch to UTF-8 for Unicode.
That allows specifying Unicode chars, but ASCII chars 0-0x7f stay the same.

That way any standard POV files will work untouched, and only files edited
for a MBCS patched version would need converting. That can also eleminate a
need for a flag to signal Unicode mode.

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