I think the Match Brace command in beta6 is pretty good when
doing complex scenes, but there is a little problem with the
hotkey on non-US keyboards: on mine, and AFAIK on most
other european keyboards, the "]" char is done with an AltGR+key
combination, and thus the Ctrl+] hotkey cannot be done on
such keyboard. Is there a way to change that? (read: dear Povteam:
could you please fix that for your non-US users? ;-)

                                                              - Marco



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>other european keyboards, the "]" char is done with an AltGR+key
>combination, and thus the Ctrl+] hotkey cannot be done on
>such keyboard. Is there a way to change that?

IS there a way to change that ? IS  there, you ask ???

you're kidding, aren't you ?

you _did_ read the release notes, didn't you ?

you didn't ?

AAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

<sigh>.

short of ramming documentation down people's throats there's little we can do
for people in your position. sometimes I'm not sure if I want to laugh or cry.
at the very least, you could have spent 60 seconds inspecting the menu options.

someone, please, tell me, what do we have to do to get people to even read the
most simple, straightforward instructions ?

>(read: dear Povteam: could you please fix that for your non-US users? ;-)

no, we won't. to be quite blunt, go fix it yourself.

sorry if I sound rude (I'm not being rude, just blunt), but this is the second
time in five minutes that I've replied to a users's comment about something
that was in their own power to fix.

we've gone to a lot of trouble in this version (beta 6) to empower users (i.e.
you, and others like you) with the ability to do such things yourselves.

yet we're still bombarded with requests to change things that are already
user-settable options. you could have changed that in 30 seconds (literally)
instead of asking us to do it for you. so please do, ok ?

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On Wed, 02 Sep 1998 09:11:31 GMT, povray.org admin team 
	<new### [at] DESPAMpovrayorg> wrote:
>someone, please, tell me, what do we have to do to get people to even read the
>most simple, straightforward instructions ?

I'm afraid the only way to do that is to make a deal with the devil.  Every user
I've ever encountered thought that "if at first you don't succeed, try reading 
the directions" was needlessly complicated.  As a professional software 
developer, former top-level tech-support guy, and longtime Usenet user, I can 
say unequivocally that many users have the philosophy that "if at first you 
don't succeed, whine about it until someone else does it for you."  At my 
former job, even the lower-level tech support staff abided by that philosophy.

But you are in an enviable position: you can tell them curtly to RTFM, and you 
don't have to answer to some weasel in accounting who thinks you're scaring off
paying customers.  In short, keep producing quality documentation for the 90% of
us who do know to check there first, and screw the other 10%.  It's not like
they're paying for your help, right?  Give 'em what they paid for.  Eventually,
someone who has read the documentation will get tired of their whining and tell
them to RTFM.  That doesn't have to be your problem.  (Unless they're whining to
winbugs.  I'm not sure how to handle those people, short of assassination.)

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Good morning (or whenever...)

povray.org admin team wrote in message
<35ee07ea.73459138@news.povray.org>...
>you didn't ?
>AAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
HHHH!
><sigh>.

Well, er... I did complain about this 'bug' too. But, well, as always,
I read
the doc and release notes - more then once... I just didn't find
the good command/keyword in the codemax properties and, as it is
written in the docs:

o  Most key bindings are customisable (not all, just most).

and

o  Note that the editor properties dialog only allows you to set
things that
    are implemented within the editor. There are some other options
implemented
    within the editor wrapper code in POV-Ray for Windows which are
able to be
    accessed via the Editor menu (only visible when an editor is
selected). For
    example, the keybinding for saving a file (Ctrl-S) is not listed
in the
    editor properties since this function is handled by the wrapper
code. You
    can't change this assignment.

...so I deduced that the match brace was one of these... (I actually
deduced
that the shorcuts that were shown in menus weren't customisable.
Silly, isn'it?
It seemed logical at the time...)

errare humanum est


Povingly,

Philippe

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>IS there a way to change that ? IS  there, you ask ???
>
>you're kidding, aren't you ?
>
>you _did_ read the release notes, didn't you ?
>
>you didn't ?
>
>AAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!.
....


I think the main difference between me, having raytraced since POV 2.x, and
my friends, who have never, is that I read the readme and pre-release notes
of whatever I install *before* I even install it, then read the release
notes, and at least glance through the docs... and they save disk space by
deleting all these files. Maybe I've been ray-tracing too long, but reading
docs really helps. After all, why else are they in the help menu?

Peter

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>>other european keyboards, the "]" char is done with an AltGR+key
>>combination, and thus the Ctrl+] hotkey cannot be done on
>>such keyboard. Is there a way to change that?
>>IS there a way to change that ? IS  there, you ask ???
>you're kidding, aren't you ?
>you _did_ read the release notes, didn't you ?
>you didn't ?


>[blunt comments snipped]

Yes, youre right, absolutley right. Should have checked before i asked. If i
was japanese i'd have an harakiri sword sticking from my belly. I do
apologize: you do such excellent work and we (we? me!) harass you with
such requests. Hope i didnt spoil your day.

                                                        - Marco

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>such requests. Hope i didnt spoil your day.

no. not at all. I just get frustrated sometimes. for every one of you who asks
(and eventually finds out, one way or the other) there's probably ten others
who don't, and will never find out that they can actually use that (and other)
features.

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