On Thu, 02 Jan 2003 13:46:21 +0100, "Thorsten Froehlich" <tho### [at] trfde>
> Try this, the problem is the same for all of the links you provide, unless
> of course the examples are supposed to look this way?
>
> <http://mac.povray.org/md.gif>

Could it be that your browser ignore that sequence (hex) 0D 0A 20 20 20
appeared in <pre> block for some reason should not be renderen as one space?

The same for: http://megapov.inetart.net/manual/html/test.html ?

> I hope you get the point now.

Ok. Will be htmled in the next release.

ABX

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Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
> 
> <http://mac.povray.org/md.gif>
> 

As i said most of the Netscape problems can be solved by not using the
style sheet.  I already considered making a separate version of the style
sheet for Netscape 4.x but i did not find the time yet.

Christoph

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> page 19 counting from first or page 19 counting from numbered as "1" ? :-)

	It's the number written on the top of the page. I just took this
one as an example of the equations being justified on the line (while they
should note). It's really nothing. Just to tell the conversion is not
perfect, as any conversion I suppose  :-)

> Note, we are multienvironment team: windows (development tested on 95, 98, NT
> and probably more), linux, mac (various versions) and we need effective but
> uniform development.

	Sure. This is good. (Don't know if TeX and friends are available
on Mac architectures, though OS X should not be a problem; for windows
it exists for sure). My notice was not meant to be a criticism, but only
a small joke. The work you're doing on MegaPOV and all the things before
is simply amazing...

> if you have some experience, free time and
> can provide tutorial how to do it for all mentioned platforms, please help us.

	I would if I had this free time. At least more than the few minutes
I spend reading the newsgroups and the very good docs that were prepared on
this brand-new MegaPOV.

	Please keep up the good work and don't forget to notice the
smileys I put in my previous message  :-) ;-)

	- NC

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In article <3E143CF8.6AAD01C2@gmx.de> , Christoph Hormann 
<chr### [at] gmxde>  wrote:

>> <http://mac.povray.org/md.gif>
>
> As i said most of the Netscape problems can be solved by not using the
> style sheet.  I already considered making a separate version of the style
> sheet for Netscape 4.x but i did not find the time yet.

Indeed, but the problems are solvable ones one knows the Netscape internal
implementation of stylesheets:  Netscape does not cascade relative so some
internal style sheet for anything but the most elementary formatting (afaik
only for font types and sizes).  So when you assume the cascading works
relative to a complete internal stylesheet, some CSS elements will inherit
the CSS defaults rather than reasonable values.  So the "pre" block in the
CSS simply needs to be completed with

    white-space: pre;

because Netscape uses the default, which is "normal" rather than "pre".

    Thorsten

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In article <7do71v0ei2pe14hld0kppo35d1cuqnpqt3@4ax.com>,
 ABX <abx### [at] abxartpl> wrote:

> Yes, that's exactly I have in mind. I also want to made is as pre-process for
> image-maps.

Well, it would need image input features, some way to read and write 
files. Maybe it could just be allowed to be activated during parsing, 
without the predefined buffers that would be available for post 
processing.

global_settings {
    post_process {IMAGE_PROCESSING_STUFF}
}

process_images {IMAGE_PROCESSING_STUFF}


> Not talking about connecting it with function VM.

Not sure what you meant here..."Not to mention connecting it with a 
function VM."? "I refuse to talk about connecting it with a function 
VM."?

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In article <1ee81vkknlso5kvbak89vq4mpu7e00d06e@4ax.com> , ABX 
<abx### [at] abxartpl>  wrote:

>> <http://mac.povray.org/md.gif>
>
> Could it be that your browser ignore that sequence (hex) 0D 0A 20 20 20
> appeared in <pre> block for some reason should not be renderen as one space?
>
> The same for: http://megapov.inetart.net/manual/html/test.html ?

No, Netscape has no problem with line-endings (that would be really bad,
wouldn't it ;-)    I explained the problem in my reply to Christoph.  The
following will work just fine:

pre {
  font-family: "Lucida Console","Lucida Sans Typewriter","Courier
New","monospace" ;
  color: #000000 ;
  background-color: #e6f4ff ;
  border: 1px solid ;
  border-color: #cfdbe5 ;
  padding: 3pt;
  white-space: pre ;
}

BTW, note that "Courier New" is a typical M$ font.  People on those
operating systems whose creators were willing to pay the royalties to the
font copyright holders will have fonts with the proper name - "Courier".
They are unlikely to have any of the fonts you list of pre elements as they
are all Windows specific ;-)   If you want to add a good-looking font for
Mac OS, that would be "Monaco", which is also used by Mac text editors by
default.

You may also want to change the order of Verdana, Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif to Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif for the same reason, as
Arial is just a cheap M$ replacement for Helvetica, and Verdana is a M$
invented font...

>> I hope you get the point now.
>
> Ok. Will be htmled in the next release.

You do a lot of readers a favor, thanks a lot!

    Thorsten

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On Thu, 02 Jan 2003 09:38:31 -0500, Christopher James Huff
<cja### [at] earthlinknet> wrote:
> > Not talking about connecting it with function VM.
>
> Not sure what you meant here..."Not to mention connecting it with a 
> function VM."? "I refuse to talk about connecting it with a function 
> VM."?

I meant that post processed should use user defined functions.

ABX

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In article <3e1450a1$4@news.povray.org> , "Thorsten Froehlich" 
<tho### [at] trfde> wrote:

> You may also want to change the order of Verdana, Arial, Helvetica,
> sans-serif to Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif for the same reason, as
> Arial is just a cheap M$ replacement for Helvetica, and Verdana is a M$
> invented font...

First link via Google gives a good summary of the whole story:
<http://www.google.de/search?q=arial+font+history>

    Thorsten

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In article <8h681vsehuqtq66qtnk145c02vqcntqnuj@4ax.com>, abx### [at] abxartpl 
says...
> On Thu, 02 Jan 2003 11:18:14 +0100, "Thorsten Froehlich" <tho### [at] trfde>
> wrote:
> > > I have checked xhtml output in validators but noticed only report about missed
> >
> > Don't tell me that is all the testing you did???
> 
> As it already appeared in this thread several browsers were checked.
> 
> ABX
> 
Gah... And I thought M$ HTMLHelp's tendency to try to connect to the net 
in some odd cases and the insistence of some programs to try to display 
HTML help files in IE was a nightmare.. Just one question. Why the &$^$% 
does everyone insist on using something to display help that is such a 
resource hog. Yes HTML is more flexible, but to put it in terms I have 
used before, having to rely on IE (or most other browsers) to display 
help files is like using the Exxon Valdize, complete with drunken pilot, 
to deliver a loaf of bread. I don't wouldn't mind using it, but I get 
just a bit tweaked that it rarely works exactly right, wastes so much 
system resources, won't use the browser I tell it too in some cases and 
refuses to stay offline when all the needed files are actually on my 
local machine. Now we have this CSS nonsense, etc.

Sorry about the rant, but as limited as the 'old' help files where, I 
never had as many problems with them and this supposed solution leaves 
something to be desired imho.

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On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:51:51 -0700, Patrick Elliott <sha### [at] hotmailcom>
wrote:
> Sorry about the rant, but as limited as the 'old' help files where, I 
> never had as many problems with them and this supposed solution leaves 
> something to be desired imho.

Test of making old HLP file is on (less important part of) my to do but was
not tested becouse of more important things. I promise to at least test it in
the near future but of course your help is also welcome - documentation
sources are available.

ABX

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