Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
> In article <3DA### [at] alphalinkcomau> , Edward Coffey 
> <eco### [at] alphalinkcomau>  wrote:
> 
> 
>>Were the POV team to conduct their design discussions here, or in a
>>newly created group, say, povray.developers, they would be perfectly
>>able to ignore all traffic from non team members for as long as they
>>liked.
> 
> 
> You are kidding, right?

Could you be more specific?

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On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 23:09:42 +0300, Vahur Krouverk <vkr### [at] starmanee>
wrote:
> Seems like there is quite interest in this proposal. To be more concrete:
> 1. Is out there anyone, who can provide (CVS?) server for unofficial 
> POV-Ray releases?

If you mean such a server for 4.0 rewrite it will be probably holded by the
team somehow. But you mean 3.5 patches, right ? I'm trying to do PoPOV as good
as I can but I'm limited with family requirements and company tasks. I can't
set up CVS in my own domain (art.pl) becouse art.pl is special domain here in
Poland and has special rules. But I can ask my friend to create some account
on the same server my abx.art.pl is located on. That's what I can do.

> 2. Is there anyone, who agrees to be 
> 'buildmaster'/'maintainer'/'whatever-you-call-him/her', who has 
> knowledge of version control systems (CVS?), who has development tools 
> (compilers and computers to compile POVRay (for at least for Linux and 
> Windows??)) and has sufficient time to build releases for POV-Ray 
> patches, maintain CVS repository (merge patches with main branch), etc.

Being maintainer on such system is a big responsibility. Such a person should
also has knowledge about povray itself and has some commercial packages as
POV-Team use. But in general being maintainer of such creation seems larger
responsibility than being POV-Team Member.

> 3 (probably most important?). Is there interest among POV-Ray 'hackers' 
> to have such 'united' version of POV-Ray patches? '

If not I hope PoPOV will be sufficent and allow quiet but effective work on
4.0.

> 4. Is there enough people ready to try/use/test POV-Ray versions, built 
> by such approach (buildmaster can't be only person for such task!)

Count me in.

ABX

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In article <3DA### [at] alphalinkcomau>,
 Edward Coffey <eco### [at] alphalinkcomau> wrote:

> That's good, but it was more than two years ago, it would be nice to 
> hear what the team has to say today on the matters outlined in that post.

The situation has not changed (other than 3.5 being out now), or that 
post would not be there any more. Don't expect it all to show up right 
after the 3.5 release, getting 3.5 out was a lot of work from people who 
don't actually have to do it, and getting 4.0 started and this kind of 
system set up would be even more work, the POV Team deserves a break.

It is pretty old info though, I'll go nag some people for an update... 
;-)

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In article <3daa9738@news.povray.org>, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> 
wrote:

> Trying to decipher all the text posted by people and getting the good
> opinions can be a big job... Who is going to do it?

Ahem...
http://news.povray.org/povray.announce.frequently-asked-questions/16707/

;-)

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Thomas Willhalm wrote:
 > Vahur Krouverk wrote:
 >
 >> Seems like there is quite interest in this proposal. To be more
 >> concrete: 1. Is out there anyone, who can provide (CVS?) server for
 >> unofficial POV-Ray releases?
 >
 >
 > What about sourceforge?
 >
Yeah, I thought about this too, but I'm not familiar with terms of use
of Sourceforge. Main concern here is, that POV_Ray is not OS of GPL 
software and I don't know, wheter such software could be developed in 
Sourceforge (i.e. whether there are restrictions from Sourceforge or 
POV-Team or POV-Ray license part). And I'm not very good in reading this 
pretty print either :-)

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ABX wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 23:09:42 +0300, Vahur Krouverk <vkr### [at] starmanee>
> wrote:
> 
>>Seems like there is quite interest in this proposal. To be more concrete:
>>1. Is out there anyone, who can provide (CVS?) server for unofficial 
>>POV-Ray releases?
> 
> 
> If you mean such a server for 4.0 rewrite it will be probably holded by the
> team somehow. But you mean 3.5 patches, right ? 
Right.

> I'm trying to do PoPOV as good
> as I can but I'm limited with family requirements and company tasks. I can't
> set up CVS in my own domain (art.pl) becouse art.pl is special domain here in
> Poland and has special rules. But I can ask my friend to create some account
> on the same server my abx.art.pl is located on. That's what I can do.

Would be good, unless someone else provides resources for this.

> Being maintainer on such system is a big responsibility. Such a person should
> also has knowledge about povray itself and has some commercial packages as
> POV-Team use. But in general being maintainer of such creation seems larger
> responsibility than being POV-Team Member.


Yes, I know, that this is bad position for anyone: no fame but hard work 
and blame :-)
But I guess that need for commerical packages is not so important, more 
important is programming experience and knowledge of POV-Ray.

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On Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:59:49 +0300, Vahur Krouverk <vkr### [at] starmanee>
wrote:
> But I guess that need for commerical packages 

Unfortunatelly effective win app prepared for modern processors can't be
compiled with BCC 5.5. You have to have C++ made by Microsoft, Intel or
probably newest BCC.

ABX

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ABX wrote:
 >
 > Unfortunatelly effective win app prepared for modern processors can't
 > be compiled with BCC 5.5. You have to have C++ made by Microsoft,
 > Intel or probably newest BCC.
 >
Yes, but compilation with more effective compiler could be made by
someone else, maintainer would just be responsible for source code.

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On Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:17:23 +0300, Vahur Krouverk <vkr### [at] starmanee>
wrote:
> Yes, but compilation with more effective compiler could be made by
> someone else, maintainer would just be responsible for source code.

What about cheap macintosh compilation ?

ABX

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Vahur Krouverk wrote:

> 
> Seems like there is quite interest in this proposal. To be more concrete:
> 1. Is out there anyone, who can provide (CVS?) server for unofficial
> POV-Ray releases?

I can set up CVS server on the povworld.org server. I am not an expert in 
CVS but I guess I could install it and the server has a more-or-less 
reliable connection to the net.

- Micha

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