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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: hurricane woes
Date: 15 Sep 2018 03:02:09
Message: <5b9cae71@news.povray.org>
On 14-9-2018 19:26, Kenneth wrote:
> "Kenneth" <kdw### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>> So... Hurricane Florence is bearing down on the east coast of the US (I live in
>> the state of Virginia, right on the coast-- and near the bull's eye of
>> landfall.)
>>
> 
> [update...]
> 
> Well... for my area, the hurricane has turned out to be "much ado about nothing"
> :-)
> 
> Not that I'm complaining-- but after a week's worth of breathless doom-and-gloom
> predictions (for MY area) by ALL weathermen and newscasters, they're going to
> have some explaining to do. (Unless the storm re-strengthens over land, which is
> unheard of.) Predictions were that Florence might even grow into a Category 5
> before it hit the coast (the strongest monster winds); instead, it went from a 4
> down to a 2, then a 1! Here, we've had almost no rain, and the winds have
> *maybe* topped out at 30mph-- more like a typical Autumn day than a hurricane.
> All good news, of course (for us at least) but there are going to be lots of
> irritated people here who evacuated their homes and left the area. Yes, it's
> better to be "safe than sorry"-- but it looks like accurate weather prediction
> still has a ways to go (it might truly be impossible-- chaos theory, etc...)
> 
> That butterfly in China must have suddenly reversed direction, or something...
> 
> 

Maybe this tells why: 
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-06684-8?utm_source=briefing-wk&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=briefing&utm_content=20180914


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Thomas


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From: Cousin Ricky
Subject: Re: hurricane woes
Date: 15 Sep 2018 20:51:05
Message: <5b9da8f9$1@news.povray.org>
On 2018-09-10 02:32 PM (-4), Kenneth wrote:
> So... Hurricane Florence is bearing down on the east coast of the US (I live in
> the state of Virginia, right on the coast-- and near the bull's eye of
> landfall.)
>
> Hey, Mother Nature, this won't do!! I'm feverishly working on some POV-Ray code,
> and must not be interrupted! Take your hurricane elsewhere...

Hey, when Hurricane Irma bore down on the Virgin Islands (185 mph 
winds), I decided that I wasn't going to be the old man yelling at 
clouds.  I figured my GemCuts project could wait, and focused on 
backups.  GemCuts would have been toast anyway if my house had blown 
away and I didn't have my data in the cloud.  (Irma developed so quickly 
I didn't have time to open a safe deposit box for my backup disk.)


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From: Cousin Ricky
Subject: Re: hurricane woes
Date: 15 Sep 2018 21:16:44
Message: <5b9daefc$1@news.povray.org>
On 2018-09-11 09:37 AM (-4), dick balaska wrote:
> On 09/11/2018 06:48 AM, Kenneth wrote:
>> "Bald Eagle" <cre### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm worried about flooding-- not from the ocean swells etc, as there are beach
>> sand berms between me and the water-- but from a fresh water lake only a few
>> blocks away. *That* flooded my area a couple of years ago, just from a really
>> bad days-long storm (a "nor'easter"). My house escaped that flood by a hair; I
>> may not be so lucky this time :-/
>
> Pfft!  We lost power for 17 days after Sandy.  Couldn't leave the
> neighborhood for 4 days.

Is this a contest?  I lost power for 122 days after Irma.  There were 
people on the island who couldn't leave their *house*, let alone the 
neighborhood.  I got a flat tire the day after, and couldn't get it 
fixed for another week and a half.  Then *second* hurricane hit.  You 
know the rest: the paper towels, undercounting of deaths, etc.

Is there a Puerto Rican on these newsgroups who can one-up me?

>  I was prepared, neighbors were not.  I have an
> elder with "needs" so I had the whole house running on an 8500 watt
> generator. (Now everybody has one).
> I set up a table with extension cord and coffee pot.  Charge your phone
> and have a cuppa.  The neighbors were impressed/annoyed to learn that
> the generator lugged down at 6am when I turned on the hot water heater
> for showers.  I thought I was so clever, then I realized that at $50 a
> day in gasoline, that's $1500 a month in energy cost.

We got a generator after Hurricane Marilyn (1996), but it seized up due 
to disuse.  My sister flew a 2000 watt generator from the states, so we 
could have refrigeration, lights, and some limited POVing; but at 2000 
watts, any sort of heating was out of the question.  The toughest part 
was keeping my father out of the damn refrigerator; we are in a 
role-reversal state, and he has forgotten that we are not 
air-conditioning the whole neighborhood.

> I was surprised to learn that clocks still use the wall 60Hz for a
> clock. Every clock ran 8 minutes a day fast. Even my coffee pot. I
> figured it's a computer, it has a crystal.

What???  That's quite an ASSumption on the part of the clock maker!  I 
can't imagine any such clocks would be any more than useless around here.


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From: Cousin Ricky
Subject: Re: hurricane woes
Date: 15 Sep 2018 21:19:40
Message: <5b9dafac@news.povray.org>
On 2018-09-12 06:20 AM (-4), Stephen wrote:
>
> And we think the British weather is bad. :)

Perhaps it is bad in that understated British sort of way.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: hurricane woes
Date: 16 Sep 2018 03:58:45
Message: <5b9e0d35$1@news.povray.org>
On 16/09/2018 02:19, Cousin Ricky wrote:
> On 2018-09-12 06:20 AM (-4), Stephen wrote:
>>
>> And we think the British weather is bad. :)
> 
> Perhaps it is bad in that understated British sort of way.
> 

It is just grey and unreliable. On the plus side we don't get the 
extremes of temperature you get on continents nor monsoons or 
earthquakes. At least not big ones.


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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: hurricane woes
Date: 16 Sep 2018 04:55:01
Message: <5b9e1a65$1@news.povray.org>
On 16/09/2018 02:16, Cousin Ricky wrote:
>> I was surprised to learn that clocks still use the wall 60Hz for a
>> clock. Every clock ran 8 minutes a day fast. Even my coffee pot. I
>> figured it's a computer, it has a crystal.
> 

> can't imagine any such clocks would be any more than useless around here.

Not an assumption at all. Until the 1980s a lot of electric clocks used 
an AC synchronous motor. The early ones did not self start. You had to 
spin the motor manually. I have one that uses a lever and ratchet to 
start it. Others could be made to run backwards. They were accurate to 
one ac cycle a day if your grid was half decent.



So there! ;)

Your comments about armchair hurricane watchers are apt.
But it is human nature.


-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Le Forgeron
Subject: Re: hurricane woes
Date: 16 Sep 2018 05:57:47
Message: <5b9e291b$1@news.povray.org>
Le 16/09/2018 à 10:54, Stephen a écrit :
> On 16/09/2018 02:16, Cousin Ricky wrote:
>>> I was surprised to learn that clocks still use the wall 60Hz for a
>>> clock. Every clock ran 8 minutes a day fast. Even my coffee pot. I
>>> figured it's a computer, it has a crystal.
>>
>> What???  That's quite an ASSumption on the part of the clock maker!  I
>> can't imagine any such clocks would be any more than useless around here.
> 
> Not an assumption at all. Until the 1980s a lot of electric clocks used
> an AC synchronous motor. The early ones did not self start. You had to
> spin the motor manually. I have one that uses a lever and ratchet to
> start it. Others could be made to run backwards. They were accurate to
> one ac cycle a day if your grid was half decent.
> My pc clock is 1·9 seconds behind according to https://time.is
> 
> 

Earlier this year, in continental Europe, we add a small scandal about
two countries playing bad with the grid: all the microwaves' clock were
getting late, to the point of getting in the TV news of 13h and 20h !

The cumulated delta was about 20 minutes in April, IIRC, the assholes
having pushed a 49,5Hz instead of 50Hz, in order to not provide the
other with a better current, while pocketing the money...


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: hurricane woes
Date: 16 Sep 2018 07:15:05
Message: <5b9e3b39$1@news.povray.org>
On 16/09/2018 10:57, Le_Forgeron wrote:
> Le 16/09/2018 à 10:54, Stephen a écrit :
>> On 16/09/2018 02:16, Cousin Ricky wrote:
>>>> I was surprised to learn that clocks still use the wall 60Hz for a
>>>> clock. Every clock ran 8 minutes a day fast. Even my coffee pot. I
>>>> figured it's a computer, it has a crystal.
>>>
>>> What???  That's quite an ASSumption on the part of the clock maker!  I
>>> can't imagine any such clocks would be any more than useless around here.
>>
>> Not an assumption at all. Until the 1980s a lot of electric clocks used
>> an AC synchronous motor. The early ones did not self start. You had to
>> spin the motor manually. I have one that uses a lever and ratchet to
>> start it. Others could be made to run backwards. They were accurate to
>> one ac cycle a day if your grid was half decent.
>> My pc clock is 1·9 seconds behind according to https://time.is
>>
>>
> 
> Earlier this year, in continental Europe, we add a small scandal about
> two countries playing bad with the grid: all the microwaves' clock were
> getting late, to the point of getting in the TV news of 13h and 20h !
> 
> The cumulated delta was about 20 minutes in April, IIRC, the assholes
> having pushed a 49,5Hz instead of 50Hz, in order to not provide the
> other with a better current, while pocketing the money...
> 


No wonder the Brexiteers have the sway, here. ;)


-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: hurricane woes
Date: 16 Sep 2018 10:10:23
Message: <5b9e644f$1@news.povray.org>
Am 16.09.2018 um 09:58 schrieb Stephen:
> On 16/09/2018 02:19, Cousin Ricky wrote:
>> On 2018-09-12 06:20 AM (-4), Stephen wrote:
>>>
>>> And we think the British weather is bad. :)
>>
>> Perhaps it is bad in that understated British sort of way.
>>
> 
> It is just grey and unreliable.

Unreliable? I thought it was always either raining or intending to be.


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From: dick balaska
Subject: Re: hurricane woes
Date: 16 Sep 2018 20:31:19
Message: <5b9ef5d7$1@news.povray.org>
On 09/15/2018 08:51 PM, Cousin Ricky wrote:
.
> 
> Hey, when Hurricane Irma bore down on the Virgin Islands (185 mph
> winds), 

How *are* you guys doing.  The VI left our consciousness a year ago.
(Puerto Rico would have too, except the Idiot in Chief keeps opening his
mouth. Hmm, so maybe that's a good thing).
The best story I saw was from June 2018 on npr.  Hopefully your grid is
back and your blue tarps gone.

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dik
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