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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: I should not have looked it up.
Date: 3 Aug 2012 12:58:01
Message: <501c0319@news.povray.org>
On 8/2/2012 0:25, Le_Forgeron wrote:
> You should have learned from the image of your country in movies: "when
> you have to shoot, shoot, don't talk!" (The good, the bad and the ugly;

I was amused at an American TV show, where the cop describes the other cop 
as a "loose cannon" or something like that, and the french subtitles 
translated it to "cowboy" (in English). Ah, so *that* is the weird 
stereotype others have of Americans: wild west themes.

I saw in a video game quote scroll someone said

Developer: "I need you to tell me what to do about a problem in the 
multiplayer mode, but first I want to show you what I'm talking about."

Manager: "Right. Shoot first, ask questions later."

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   "Oh no! We're out of code juice!"
   "Don't panic. There's beans and filters
    in the cabinet."


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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Re: I should not have looked it up.
Date: 3 Aug 2012 14:19:43
Message: <501c163f$1@news.povray.org>
On 03/08/2012 05:50 PM, Darren New wrote:
> On 8/2/2012 1:01, Invisible wrote:
>> I thought that when a paper is "published" that just means that it
>> goes into
>> some journal which can only be purchased for thousands of pounds per
>> issue?
>
> In addition, the school itself gets a copy of the thesis (or many
> copies) and they wind up in the department or library or something.
> Certainly when the student publishes a thesis, the school isn't going to
> fail to have a vanity copy.

Sure. But that doesn't help *me* read it. I always seem to have trouble 
getting my hands on interesting papers and stuff...


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: I should not have looked it up.
Date: 3 Aug 2012 16:08:21
Message: <501c2fb5$1@news.povray.org>
On 03/08/2012 5:52 PM, Darren New wrote:
> On 8/2/2012 12:54, Stephen wrote:
>> Is it an American thing?
>
> FWIW, as a native American,

Is that significant?

> it's one of the few "rules" that never
> seemed controversial.

Sounds like an American thing then.

>Then again, I learned to type on a manual
> typewriter, so maybe times have changed.
>

I learned to type on a teletype 33. No typing in school for boys.

-- 
Regards
     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: I should not have looked it up.
Date: 3 Aug 2012 16:16:20
Message: <501c3194$1@news.povray.org>
On 03/08/2012 5:58 PM, Darren New wrote:
> I was amused at an American TV show, where the cop describes the other
> cop as a "loose cannon" or something like that, and the french subtitles
> translated it to "cowboy" (in English). Ah, so *that* is the weird
> stereotype others have of Americans: wild west themes.

In Britain nowadays, a cowboy is someone who does a shoddy job. E.g. a 
cowboy builder.

-- 
Regards
     Stephen


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From: waggy
Subject: Re: I should not have looked it up.
Date: 3 Aug 2012 18:30:00
Message: <web.501c5034b60607959726a3c10@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:
> On 8/1/2012 0:57, Invisible wrote:
> > Wait, what? You wrote a sentence that was /more/ than 3 lines long? What are
> > you, a lawyer? ;-)
>
> No, a PhD student. :)
>
This thesis is for a master's in mechanical engeering. If it gets accepted, the
PhD dissertation saga begins in the fall.


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From: waggy
Subject: Re: I should not have looked it up.
Date: 3 Aug 2012 18:35:01
Message: <web.501c5196b60607959726a3c10@news.povray.org>
Le_Forgeron wrote:

> Do they expect automatic translation to be successful on your thesis ?

You are prescient, in a way.  The greatest trouble I've had so far is with
conditional statements.

The following:

"A mechanical component can fail when a crack in it grows too long."

could be reworded as:

"A too-long crack can fail a mechanical component."

which sounds like it has been poorly translated from some other language.


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From: John VanSickle
Subject: Re: I should not have looked it up.
Date: 3 Aug 2012 21:39:12
Message: <501c7d40$1@news.povray.org>
On 8/1/2012 1:39 AM, waggy wrote:
> Well, I defended my thesis the other day and learned that my professors all
> despise my writing style. One committee member advised me to reorganize and
> rewrite the entire thing, with these specific instructions, "All your sentences
> should be subject-verb-object and no more than three lines long."

"Only those who have nothing to say can afford to be language purists."

Regards,
John


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From: waggy
Subject: Re: I should not have looked it up.
Date: 4 Aug 2012 00:05:01
Message: <web.501c9eddb60607959726a3c10@news.povray.org>
Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> On 03/08/2012 05:50 PM, Darren New wrote:
> > In addition, the school itself gets a copy of the thesis (or many
> > copies) and they wind up in the department or library or something.
> > Certainly when the student publishes a thesis, the school isn't going to
> > fail to have a vanity copy.
>
> Sure. But that doesn't help *me* read it. I always seem to have trouble
> getting my hands on interesting papers and stuff...

At my university, I have to deliver two printed copies to the school library. I
must also deliver an electronic copy to a commercial online publisher to make
available through their private (paid) service. Registering a copyright and
providing open access are add-on costs for the author.

I'll shell out the bucks for the copyright since my thesis has immediate
commercial applications and I don't want one company monopolizing it.  (I don't
mind not getting a piece of it since public funds paid for the research and most
applications involve safety.)

I'm also on the open-access side of scholarly publication.  However, I have
worked with professional technical editors and think we need to figure out how
to get them back into the technical publication process. Peer review generally
works well enough for checking the content, but it seems silly that researchers
also need to have the specialized skills of a proofreader, copy editor, graphic
artist, and sometimes even page layout specialist.

Modern software doesn't make these respectable jobs obsolete, it just gives
authors the tools to do all of them themselves, poorly, when we could be doing
more of the research we're good at.

[It feels good to leave that preposition there at the end, where it belongs.]


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: I should not have looked it up.
Date: 4 Aug 2012 13:51:35
Message: <501d6127$1@news.povray.org>
On 8/3/2012 13:08, Stephen wrote:
> On 03/08/2012 5:52 PM, Darren New wrote:
>> On 8/2/2012 12:54, Stephen wrote:
>>> Is it an American thing?
>>
>> FWIW, as a native American,
>
> Is that significant?

To the extent that the question was "is that an American thing?" yes.

>
>> it's one of the few "rules" that never
>> seemed controversial.
>
> Sounds like an American thing then.
>
>> Then again, I learned to type on a manual
>> typewriter, so maybe times have changed.
>>
>
> I learned to type on a teletype 33. No typing in school for boys.
>


-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   "Oh no! We're out of code juice!"
   "Don't panic. There's beans and filters
    in the cabinet."


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From: Patrick Elliott
Subject: Re: I should not have looked it up.
Date: 4 Aug 2012 14:08:12
Message: <501d650c$1@news.povray.org>
On 8/3/2012 9:02 PM, waggy wrote:
> Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>> On 03/08/2012 05:50 PM, Darren New wrote:
>>> In addition, the school itself gets a copy of the thesis (or many
>>> copies) and they wind up in the department or library or something.
>>> Certainly when the student publishes a thesis, the school isn't going to
>>> fail to have a vanity copy.
>>
>> Sure. But that doesn't help *me* read it. I always seem to have trouble
>> getting my hands on interesting papers and stuff...
>
> At my university, I have to deliver two printed copies to the school library. I
> must also deliver an electronic copy to a commercial online publisher to make
> available through their private (paid) service. Registering a copyright and
> providing open access are add-on costs for the author.
>
Medical community is sort of pissed over some of that practice. Its 
generally "common" practice, in that field, to also submit a version to 
same public archive, like PubMed, only, many of those "paid services" 
don't want any of it to be available, save through their paid services. 
How the hell they think medicine would have advanced, if every time 
someone wanted to run an experiment, they had to pay half their research 
budget to buy papers on the prior experiments done in the same field, is 
beyond me. How people manage it in other fields, as it is... Well, given 
the state that some "tech" was in, among research institutes, as apposed 
to the business world, a few years back, the answer seems to be, "Huh? 
You mean they make IDEs and debuggers?"


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