On Wed, 06 Apr 2011 16:26:23 +0200, Le_Forgeron <lef### [at] freefr> wro
te:


>> It's an irreversible future, I think.  Simply recording the images wa
s  

>> just the
>> primitive beginning...
>>
> Are we going to see any realtime rendering/animations by some
> DJ-equivalent anytime soon, as performance at nearby entertainment pla
ce  

> ?
>
> Live spectacle of artificial images & sounds.
>

It will probably use CryEngine...

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Invisible escreveu:
> On 06/04/2011 02:49 PM, nemesis wrote:
>>> 1. Pixar *is* Disney.
>>
>> It's not.
> 
> Disney bought Pixar a while back.

Nominaly, yes.  Practically, more like the inverse. :)

It's still not Disney, though.

>>> 2. I see motion capture as the future.
>>

> 
> I don't think that cartoons are going away anytime soon. But I think the 
> future of trying to look real is in motion capture.

certainly.

>>> It gives you far more expression with far less work.
>>
>> It gives you far *less* expression with less work.
> 
> If you animate by hand, then absolutely everything that happens must be 
> animated by hand. The result is either extremely expensive or not very 
> expressive. The human face, on the other hand, has evolved over billions 
> of years and constantly transmits emotion, intentionally or not. And 
> actors have spent centuries perfecting the art of emoting. These people 
> know what they're doing.

http://files.sharenator.com/steven_segal_emotion_chart_Steven_Seagal_Emotion_Chart-s513x708-65813-580.jpg

compare to:

http://www.animationarchive.org/pics/pbanimation19-big.jpg

:)

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Invisible escreveu:
>> Why wait for a great sunny day to shoot when your digital sun and blue
>> sky look better with no sign of smog?
> 
> I think the difficulty of waiting for a sunny day is utterly eclipsed by 
> the sheer intractability of rendering realistic smoke, flames, dirt, 
> surf...

I'm seeing realistic enough smoke, flames and dirt in games these days, 
let alone in movies...

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On 6-4-2011 9:54, Invisible wrote:
> On 05/04/2011 11:41 PM, andrel wrote:
>> On 5-4-2011 14:09, Invisible wrote:
>>> You know, people said Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within was "creepy"
>>> because the characters were "too real". Apparently I am the only human
>>> on Earth who didn't think so... For that matter, I've yet to see a big
>>> budget production that suffered from CGI that was "too real". Maybe I'm
>>> just weird.
>>
>> Do you have trouble judging from a face what emotion another person has?
>
> Not really, no.

I asked because it is not uncommon among nerds and other autistic 
persons. Normally there is much more to go by (like context and 
behaviour), so it is not an easily noticeable handicap. Just wondering 
if there was a relation to the position and depth of the uncanny valley 
for different persons.


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>>> Do you have trouble judging from a face what emotion another person has?
>>
>> Not really, no.
>
> I asked because it is not uncommon among nerds and other autistic
> persons.

Yeah. And if you're not very keyed in to subtle vibes, the fact that 
they're missing is something that you likely wouldn't notice.

But, as I say, it's not a problem I suffer with particularly. (As far as 
I know, anyway...)

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On 6-4-2011 22:49, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>>> Do you have trouble judging from a face what emotion another person
>>>> has?
>>>
>>> Not really, no.
>>
>> I asked because it is not uncommon among nerds and other autistic
>> persons.
>
> Yeah. And if you're not very keyed in to subtle vibes, the fact that
> they're missing is something that you likely wouldn't notice.
>
> But, as I say, it's not a problem I suffer with particularly. (As far as
> I know, anyway...)
>
There are some tests for that on the internet. A friend of mine has this 
'problem'. We did such a test and he was horrible and I was not very 
good, but also not as bad as I expected. That said, I won't do the test 
posted by Kevin, for most of the images I haven't got a clue. I don't 
think I will do better than chance.

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On 4/6/2011 2:05 PM, andrel wrote:
>
> There are some tests for that on the internet. A friend of mine has this
> 'problem'. We did such a test and he was horrible and I was not very
> good, but also not as bad as I expected. That said, I won't do the test
> posted by Kevin, for most of the images I haven't got a clue. I don't
> think I will do better than chance.
>

That's actually pretty interesting in itself, because I found the test I 
posted to be pretty easy (only missed 3).  You might find that you'll do 
better than you expect when you take it though, I know I didn't expect 
to do that well.

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On 6-4-2011 23:07, Kevin Wampler wrote:
> On 4/6/2011 2:05 PM, andrel wrote:
>>
>> There are some tests for that on the internet. A friend of mine has this
>> 'problem'. We did such a test and he was horrible and I was not very
>> good, but also not as bad as I expected. That said, I won't do the test
>> posted by Kevin, for most of the images I haven't got a clue. I don't
>> think I will do better than chance.
>>
>
> That's actually pretty interesting in itself, because I found the test I
> posted to be pretty easy (only missed 3). You might find that you'll do
> better than you expect when you take it though, I know I didn't expect
> to do that well.

Ok, you talked me into it. I did indeed better than chance. I scored 15 
that is 6 more than pure chance.

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On 06/04/2011 10:07 PM, Kevin Wampler wrote:
> On 4/6/2011 2:05 PM, andrel wrote:
>>
>> There are some tests for that on the internet. A friend of mine has this
>> 'problem'. We did such a test and he was horrible and I was not very
>> good, but also not as bad as I expected. That said, I won't do the test
>> posted by Kevin, for most of the images I haven't got a clue. I don't
>> think I will do better than chance.
>>
>
> That's actually pretty interesting in itself, because I found the test I
> posted to be pretty easy (only missed 3). You might find that you'll do
> better than you expect when you take it though, I know I didn't expect
> to do that well.

I had a quick look at it and only 1 in 3 matched the descriptions I got 
1 wrong out of 12.

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On 4/6/2011 14:07, Kevin Wampler wrote:
> posted to be pretty easy (only missed 3).

I got 22, which was the low end of normal.

I have to wonder how they got people to act suspicious or surprised or 
something for the photo.  I'm not sure you can take an actor's portrayal of 
an emotion and then judge someone else on how well they can recognize the 
subconscious bits of it.

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