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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Another random suggestion
Date: 17 Mar 2017 10:40:31
Message: <58cbf55f$1@news.povray.org>
Am 17.03.2017 um 10:48 schrieb Stephen:

> And I see Jim has ninja'd me on the Abraham Lincoln solution.

That ninja must've ninja'd you pretty good, if you mistook him for Jim ;)


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Another random suggestion
Date: 17 Mar 2017 11:10:42
Message: <58cbfc72$1@news.povray.org>
On 3/17/2017 2:40 PM, clipka wrote:
> Am 17.03.2017 um 10:48 schrieb Stephen:
>
>> And I see Jim has ninja'd me on the Abraham Lincoln solution.
>
> That ninja must've ninja'd you pretty good, if you mistook him for Jim ;)
>

Oh! I don't know. Jim Henderson moves silently and swiftly and dresses 
in blue.

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Another random suggestion
Date: 17 Mar 2017 11:16:49
Message: <58cbfde1$1@news.povray.org>
On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 22:47:04 +0000, Stephen wrote:

>> I'd be surprised if it were more than 6 months, but I'll give it 1-2
>> years.
>>
> My guess too. I wonder if he will be indicted or it will be a medical
> reason.

I'm leaning slightly more towards medical, though he is losing the right 
here as well now, and they have a 'darling' in Pence who will do as he's 
told - and who has strong conservative credentials (anti-gay, anti-
legalization, anti-church/state separation).  Many on the right love that 
shit.  It's all about personal freedom so long as it's stuff they like.  
Otherwise, let the state crack down on it hard.

Jim
-- 
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw


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From: dick balaska
Subject: Re: Another random suggestion
Date: 17 Mar 2017 12:07:21
Message: <58cc09b9$1@news.povray.org>
Am 2017-03-17 11:16, also sprach Jim Henderson:

>
> I'm leaning slightly more towards medical, though he is losing the right
> here as well now, and they have a 'darling' in Pence who will do as he's
> told -

I was gonna say, Pence scares me more than Donald. At least the Drumpf's 
chaos may prevent total disaster.  Pence actually has government 
experience and could streamline that.

> and who has strong conservative credentials (anti-gay, anti-
> legalization, anti-church/state separation).

I like popping brain cells in my conservative friends by pointing out 
that pro-gay is a conservative PoV.  It's individual liberty and it 
doesn't affect you at all.

> Many on the right love that
> shit.  It's all about personal freedom so long as it's stuff they like.

That cuts both ways.  There was a Yale professor who wrote that maybe it 
might be ok to wear a Halloween costume that may be considered mildly 
offensive, and the snowflakes were not interested in the conversation; 
and ran her, and her husband, out of town.
(I blame the parents, who have completely sheltered these kids their 
entire lives.)

> Otherwise, let the state crack down on it hard.

And then blame Obama/Clinton/Clinton for making it this way.

>
> Jim
>

-- 
dik


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Another random suggestion
Date: 17 Mar 2017 12:48:30
Message: <58cc135e$1@news.povray.org>
On 3/17/2017 4:07 PM, dick balaska wrote:
> Am 2017-03-17 11:16, also sprach Jim Henderson:
>
>>
>> I'm leaning slightly more towards medical, though he is losing the right
>> here as well now, and they have a 'darling' in Pence who will do as he's
>> told -
>
> I was gonna say, Pence scares me more than Donald. At least the Drumpf's
> chaos may prevent total disaster.  Pence actually has government
> experience and could streamline that.
>

You are right on that so everyone light a candle for him. And I don't 
care if it is a Roman Candle. ;)
I see that they are illegal in the US so:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_candle_(firework)

>> and who has strong conservative credentials (anti-gay, anti-
>> legalization, anti-church/state separation).
>
> I like popping brain cells in my conservative friends by pointing out
> that pro-gay is a conservative PoV.  It's individual liberty and it
> doesn't affect you at all.
>

Yeah, who cares what other people do if no one is harmed.

>> Many on the right love that
>> shit.  It's all about personal freedom so long as it's stuff they like.
>
> That cuts both ways.  There was a Yale professor who wrote that maybe it
> might be ok to wear a Halloween costume that may be considered mildly
> offensive, and the snowflakes were not interested in the conversation;
> and ran her, and her husband, out of town.
> (I blame the parents, who have completely sheltered these kids their
> entire lives.)
>

I blame the Americans who turned a cheap children's diversion into a 
money making racket.
When I was a kid you got nuts and fruit for performing a party trick.

Not for demanding money with menace.


-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: dick balaska
Subject: Re: Another random suggestion
Date: 17 Mar 2017 14:26:37
Message: <58cc2a5d$1@news.povray.org>
Am 2017-03-17 12:48, also sprach Stephen:
> On 3/17/2017 4:07 PM, dick balaska wrote:

>> That cuts both ways.  There was a Yale professor who wrote that maybe it
>> might be ok to wear a Halloween costume that may be considered mildly
>> offensive, and the snowflakes were not interested in the conversation;
>> and ran her, and her husband, out of town.
>> (I blame the parents, who have completely sheltered these kids their
>> entire lives.)
>>
>
> I blame the Americans who turned a cheap children's diversion into a
> money making racket.
> When I was a kid you got nuts and fruit for performing a party trick.
>
> Not for demanding money with menace.

Are you referencing Halloween specifically?

I am very disappointed with my generation.  As a teen in the 70s, we had 
the most freedom of any generation of kids *ever*.  And we turned that 
into being the worst overprotective helicopter parents.

We totally distrusted government (Nixon!) and now are totally fine with 
government surveillance and F-15s buzzing the CT coastline because "they 
are keeping us safe". Me: "Wtf?!? Safe from what!?"

-- 
dik


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Another random suggestion
Date: 17 Mar 2017 14:49:20
Message: <58cc2fb0$1@news.povray.org>
On 3/17/2017 6:26 PM, dick balaska wrote:
> Am 2017-03-17 12:48, also sprach Stephen:

>>>
>>
>> I blame the Americans who turned a cheap children's diversion into a
>> money making racket.
>> When I was a kid you got nuts and fruit for performing a party trick.
>>
>> Not for demanding money with menace.
>
> Are you referencing Halloween specifically?
>

Yes Halloween specifically. And maybe Christmas and Easter and... ;)


> I am very disappointed with my generation.  As a teen in the 70s, we had
> the most freedom of any generation of kids *ever*.  And we turned that
> into being the worst overprotective helicopter parents.

Same here. I have a decade on you. In the 70s the world was getting 
better and by the 80's the rot set in. At least here in the UK. Greed 
was the order of the day. The family silver silver sold of to the 
friends of the politicians. Grr! I must take another beta blocker. ;)


>
> We totally distrusted government (Nixon!) and now are totally fine with
> government surveillance and F-15s buzzing the CT coastline because "they
> are keeping us safe". Me: "Wtf?!? Safe from what!?"
>

Thinking about how to things properly?

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Mike Horvath
Subject: Re: Another random suggestion
Date: 17 Mar 2017 16:49:59
Message: <58cc4bf7@news.povray.org>
On 3/17/2017 12:07 PM, dick balaska wrote:
> I was gonna say, Pence scares me more than Donald. At least the Drumpf's
> chaos may prevent total disaster.  Pence actually has government
> experience and could streamline that.
>

Pence has experience in almost losing his governorship. If Trump hadn't 
chosen him as VP he would have been out of a job.


Mike


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From: dick balaska
Subject: Re: Another random suggestion
Date: 17 Mar 2017 17:28:02
Message: <58cc54e2$1@news.povray.org>
Am 2017-03-17 16:50, also sprach Mike Horvath:
> On 3/17/2017 12:07 PM, dick balaska wrote:
>> I was gonna say, Pence scares me more than Donald. At least the Drumpf's
>> chaos may prevent total disaster.  Pence actually has government
>> experience and could streamline that.
>>
>
> Pence has experience in almost losing his governorship. If Trump hadn't
> chosen him as VP he would have been out of a job.

And that means as much as does being a pussy grabbing, fantastic lying 
narcissist.  He is entering the Golden Era of his career. He will get 
backing from national leadership for any crazy thing he may come up with.


-- 
dik


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Another random suggestion
Date: 19 Mar 2017 01:55:55
Message: <58ce1d6b$1@news.povray.org>
On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 12:07:22 -0400, dick balaska wrote:

> Am 2017-03-17 11:16, also sprach Jim Henderson:
> 
> 
>> I'm leaning slightly more towards medical, though he is losing the
>> right here as well now, and they have a 'darling' in Pence who will do
>> as he's told -
> 
> I was gonna say, Pence scares me more than Donald. At least the Drumpf's
> chaos may prevent total disaster.  Pence actually has government
> experience and could streamline that.

Pence doesn't have temper tantrums on Twitter and the nuclear codes.  
While there's a lot about Pence to dislike, at least he doesn't have the 
temperament of a 5-year-old and his finger on the button.

Baby Groot with that kind of power is funny.  Trump with that power is 
anything but.

>> and who has strong conservative credentials (anti-gay, anti-
>> legalization, anti-church/state separation).
> 
> I like popping brain cells in my conservative friends by pointing out
> that pro-gay is a conservative PoV.  It's individual liberty and it
> doesn't affect you at all.

Indeed.  Same thing with legalization of marijuana (and other drugs, for 
that matter).

>> Many on the right love that shit.  It's all about personal freedom so
>> long as it's stuff they like.
> 
> That cuts both ways.  There was a Yale professor who wrote that maybe it
> might be ok to wear a Halloween costume that may be considered mildly
> offensive, and the snowflakes were not interested in the conversation;
> and ran her, and her husband, out of town.
> (I blame the parents, who have completely sheltered these kids their
> entire lives.)

I kinda agree.  Cultural appropriation is something to be aware of, but 
the 'melting pot' that is the US means that we blend stuff together - and 
as Bill Maher pointed out a few weeks ago, we need to stop apologizing on 
the left for 'stupid shit'.  I don't always agree with Maher, and he gets 
a lot of things wrong (such as his stance on the first amendment - it's 
colored by being pushed off the air with "Politically Incorrect" after 
people boycotted advertisers - he doesn't understand that the boycott 
*was* a first amendment expression relating to freedom of association.  
The first amendment doesn't give him the right to an audience or the 
right to a TV show - or the right to social consequences for saying 
things people don't like), but I do like that he says what he wants to 
say, and doesn't care what people think.  Sometimes he's a schmuck when 
he does that.  A lot of times he's not.

>> Otherwise, let the state crack down on it hard.
> 
> And then blame Obama/Clinton/Clinton for making it this way.

Naturally; it's never *their* fault.


-- 
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw


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