On 14/10/2014 22:05, ingo wrote:
> in news:543d0950$1@news.povray.org Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>
>> There were also Hildur Kolbrun Andresdottir, Joanne Simpson, Sonya
>> Roberts, and in the French POV-world: Hélène Dumur.
>>
>
> & Gail Shaw
>
> short hair, no beard here
>

True, but she did carry a katana. So definitely, don't as about the 
beard. :-)


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=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F6rg_=27Yadgar=27_Bleimann?= <yaz### [at] gmxde> wrote:
> POVers (POVghans?) obviously are mostly beardos... and it seems to me,
> that among male POVers (ever noticed the almost complete absence of
> female POVers? I hardly can remember any other "raytraceress" than Gail
> Shaw...),...

I've noticed that, too.  I wonder why that is.

> longhairs are also strikingly over-represented!
>
> So I start a poll: Who of you has hair at least touching the shoulders?

I wish.

When I was a kid, everyone wanted voluminous Afros like the Jackson 5.  (And my
spell checker is balking at "afro," so I look it up at Merriam-Webster, and
learn for the first time in 51 years that the word is supposed to be
capitalized!)  But my hair just got too unmanageable if it got too long.
Decades later, I learned that it takes either a looser hair texture than mine or
a vatful of chemicals.

I have an aunt and cousins who actually did have such Afros, naturally.
Nowadays, they both wear their hair short.  Ironically, the son of one of them
is playing Michael Jackson in a national tour.  I'm sure he could grow an MJ
Afro if he wanted to, but he doesn't, and wears a wig on stage.

The alternatives for me were braids and dreadlocks.  Either would have caused my
manly man male dad to flip out.  Violently.  Besides, the only westerners who
wore dreadlocks in those days were Rastafarians, and their coifs were just plain
unkempt.  It was not a look that I wanted.

After I moved out on my own, braids became an option, but the damn tape recorder
kept playing in my head that only the social "others" would wear their hair like
girls or rebels.  Along with that was the fact that braids are high-maintenance,
so it's not like I could passive-aggressive myself into non-conformity.  Whoopie
Goldberg showed me that dreadlocks don't have to look like rats' nests, but
again, keeping them neat requires maintenance.

Now, the question is almost moot, as my hair will no longer grow down to my
shoulders (although it is still much longer than most men wear theirs).  The
intelligent design proponents in my country need to explain this one to me,
although I have a sinking feeling they would just throw 1 Corinthians 11:14 back
at me.  That verse would not explain Yadgar, though.  Or Jesus.  They say that
youth is wasted on the young.  I sure wasted mine keeping my hair the way other
people told me it should be.

Every time I see a little boy (or girl) with long hair, I turn green.

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On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 00:49:38 +0200, Cousin Ricky <rickysttATyahooDOTcom>  
wrote:

> =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F6rg_=27Yadgar=27_Bleimann?= <yaz### [at] gmxde> wrote:
>> POVers (POVghans?) obviously are mostly beardos... and it seems to me,
>> that among male POVers (ever noticed the almost complete absence of
>> female POVers? I hardly can remember any other "raytraceress" than Gail
>> Shaw...),...
>
> I've noticed that, too.  I wonder why that is.
>
>> longhairs are also strikingly over-represented!
>>
>> So I start a poll: Who of you has hair at least touching the shoulders?
>
> I wish.
>
> When I was a kid, everyone wanted voluminous Afros like the Jackson 5.   
> (And my
> spell checker is balking at "afro," so I look it up at Merriam-Webster,  
> and
> learn for the first time in 51 years that the word is supposed to be
> capitalized!)  But my hair just got too unmanageable if it got too long.
> Decades later, I learned that it takes either a looser hair texture than  
> mine or
> a vatful of chemicals.
>
> I have an aunt and cousins who actually did have such Afros, naturally.
> Nowadays, they both wear their hair short.  Ironically, the son of one  
> of them
> is playing Michael Jackson in a national tour.  I'm sure he could grow  
> an MJ
> Afro if he wanted to, but he doesn't, and wears a wig on stage.
>
> The alternatives for me were braids and dreadlocks.  Either would have  
> caused my
> manly man male dad to flip out.  Violently.  Besides, the only  
> westerners who
> wore dreadlocks in those days were Rastafarians, and their coifs were  
> just plain
> unkempt.  It was not a look that I wanted.
>
> After I moved out on my own, braids became an option, but the damn tape  
> recorder
> kept playing in my head that only the social "others" would wear their  
> hair like
> girls or rebels.  Along with that was the fact that braids are  
> high-maintenance,
> so it's not like I could passive-aggressive myself into non-conformity.   
> Whoopie
> Goldberg showed me that dreadlocks don't have to look like rats' nests,  
> but
> again, keeping them neat requires maintenance.
>
> Now, the question is almost moot, as my hair will no longer grow down to  
> my
> shoulders (although it is still much longer than most men wear theirs).   
> The
> intelligent design proponents in my country need to explain this one to  
> me,
> although I have a sinking feeling they would just throw 1 Corinthians  
> 11:14 back
> at me.  That verse would not explain Yadgar, though.  Or Jesus.  They  
> say that
> youth is wasted on the young.  I sure wasted mine keeping my hair the  
> way other
> people told me it should be.
>
> Every time I see a little boy (or girl) with long hair, I turn green.
>

I like the Woopie style. I even considered going for the Just Jinjer style  
at one stage, but my hair is way too straight for that...

http://www.whatsonincapetown.com/post/review-just-jinjer-dunes/

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On 14-10-2014 18:26, James Holsenback wrote:
>  US
> politics (well world politics for that matter) needs more women. ...
> we'd ALL be better off!
>

Don't be too sure of that! :-)

Thomas

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On 2014-10-15 02:30, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 14-10-2014 18:26, James Holsenback wrote:
>>  US politics (well world politics for that matter) needs more women. ...
>> we'd ALL be better off!
> Don't be too sure of that! :-)

I think that we plebians will find out, soon enough after the so-called 
balance of power has shifted (and it's bound to, eventually), that it 
really doesn't matter what sort of person a politician is...no matter 
the gender, race, or creed, once you get into politics...you're a 
politician.  Absolute power, as they say...  No getting away from that.

^_^

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On 15-10-2014 11:27, Tim Cook wrote:
> On 2014-10-15 02:30, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 14-10-2014 18:26, James Holsenback wrote:
>>>  US politics (well world politics for that matter) needs more women. ...
>>> we'd ALL be better off!
>> Don't be too sure of that! :-)
>
> I think that we plebians will find out, soon enough after the so-called
> balance of power has shifted (and it's bound to, eventually), that it
> really doesn't matter what sort of person a politician is...no matter
> the gender, race, or creed, once you get into politics...you're a
> politician.  Absolute power, as they say...  No getting away from that.
>

Exactly.

Thomas

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On 14/10/2014 23:49, Cousin Ricky wrote:
> =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F6rg_=27Yadgar=27_Bleimann?= <yaz### [at] gmxde> wrote:
>> POVers (POVghans?) obviously are mostly beardos... and it seems to me,
>> that among male POVers (ever noticed the almost complete absence of
>> female POVers? I hardly can remember any other "raytraceress" than Gail
>> Shaw...),...
>
> I've noticed that, too.  I wonder why that is.
>

Thinking out loud:
A lot of the posters here are, shall we say, not as young as they used 
to be. ;-)

I think women find that they have better things to do with their free 
time, when they have it.
As for younger people, it is history.

>> longhairs are also strikingly over-represented!
>>
>> So I start a poll: Who of you has hair at least touching the shoulders?
>
> I wish.
>
> When I was a kid, everyone wanted voluminous Afros like the Jackson 5.

I remember I guy I knew in the early 70s (at Bognor Regis) who had a 
permed Afro about 4 feet across. A "chick" magnet it was, straight out 
of Hair.


  (And my
> spell checker is balking at "afro," so I look it up at Merriam-Webster, and
> learn for the first time in 51 years that the word is supposed to be
> capitalized!)  But my hair just got too unmanageable if it got too long.
> Decades later, I learned that it takes either a looser hair texture than mine or
> a vatful of chemicals.
>
My mother had a natural Afro and her hair was very loose, compared to 
people in Jamaica. One day I'll tell you the story about me have my 
bumps read by all the women in the office.

> I have an aunt and cousins who actually did have such Afros, naturally.
> Nowadays, they both wear their hair short.  Ironically, the son of one of them
> is playing Michael Jackson in a national tour.  I'm sure he could grow an MJ
> Afro if he wanted to, but he doesn't, and wears a wig on stage.
>

Actors want to get out of character at the end of the play. I've noticed 
that a lot of stage actors keep their hair short. Especially if they are 
in rep.

> The alternatives for me were braids and dreadlocks.  Either would have caused my
> manly man male dad to flip out.  Violently.  Besides, the only westerners who
> wore dreadlocks in those days were Rastafarians, and their coifs were just plain
> unkempt.  It was not a look that I wanted.
>

You wouldn't want to be mistaken for a Rasta Man. What colour of Tammie 
(the real Scottish spelling) would you wear?

> After I moved out on my own, braids became an option, but the damn tape recorder
> kept playing in my head that only the social "others" would wear their hair like
> girls or rebels.  Along with that was the fact that braids are high-maintenance,
> so it's not like I could passive-aggressive myself into non-conformity.  Whoopie
> Goldberg showed me that dreadlocks don't have to look like rats' nests, but
> again, keeping them neat requires maintenance.
>

I could not be bothered with all that. I get mine cut short and leave it 
until it starts to curl or my wife tells me not to come back until it 
has been cut. :-)


> Now, the question is almost moot, as my hair will no longer grow down to my
> shoulders (although it is still much longer than most men wear theirs).  The
> intelligent design proponents in my country need to explain this one to me,
> although I have a sinking feeling they would just throw 1 Corinthians 11:14 back
> at me.  That verse would not explain Yadgar, though.  Or Jesus.  They say that
> youth is wasted on the young.  I sure wasted mine keeping my hair the way other
> people told me it should be.
>
> Every time I see a little boy (or girl) with long hair, I turn green.
>

I don't know. I had an endless amount of trouble when I had it long. 
 From my father being ashamed of being seen with me to snide comments at 
work, confrontations, even being attacked in public.

But I must say. That I played judo then and no one ever pulled my hair.

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     Stephen

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On 14/10/2014 17:26, James Holsenback wrote:
> On 10/14/2014 09:56 AM, Stephen wrote:
>> On 14/10/2014 12:23, James Holsenback wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> p-tail here ... couldn't grow it fast enough when I got out of the Navy.
>>
>> Is that pigtails or ponytail? ;-)
>
> pony ...

Sorry for asking but you did mention the navy :-P

> hell you should see the looks I get when the pony tail comes
> out and I just let my freak flag fly ... LOL "Almost cut my hair" reference
>

I wasn't a CS&N fan but I looked it up and understand the sentiment.

I let my freak flag fly on my last night working in a working man's pub 
in Glasgow. After the bell for last orders, I took it out of my shirt to 
a stunned silence.
Ah! memories. :-)

>>
>> (Just jealous)
>
> don't be ... I'm all gray (beard and hair)
>

I'm almost completely white with black eyebrows. If my hair were long I 
would look like something out of a vampire movie or LOTR.

That is where the jealousy comes in. I would embarrass myself and more 
importantly. My wife would give me. My head in my hands to play with.

>>
>> I take it, that is offensive where you live?
>
> nope ... not offensive here. it's just how it is!

It would be neck snapping here. Waiting for the fight to break out.

> I'm surrounded by
> conservative, religious fanatics. I'm voting purely liberal this
> November for whatever that's worth. The incumbent (30 years) is up
> against a young woman and she's got my vote just on principle. US
> politics (well world politics for that matter) needs more women. ...
> we'd ALL be better off!
>
>
Hell is where religion is. IMO

Next year I will be voting against our Little Devil. Mr Boris Johnson, 
mayor of London.

>>
>> When I worked in NM it was a given. One of the club, a good ol' boy. :-)
>
> well good ol' boy denotes less redneck ... most good ol' boys let well
> enough alone (until) there backs are against the wall. then all bet's
> are off
>
>

Thanks, I thought that they were rich countrified rednecks.
But I suppose that you need to be there to understand.

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     Stephen

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On 15/10/2014 17:36, Stephen wrote:
> But I must say. That I played judo then and no one ever pulled my hair.

On re-reading that sounds wrong. I meant while on the mat. Not as a boast.

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     Stephen

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Yes!
It's been long for 5,no 10,no 20,no 30 plus years now.
This is another VERY late entry. Been to busy grown hair :)

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