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On 27-9-2014 21:19, Doctor John wrote:
> On 27/09/14 20:04, clipka wrote:
>>
>> I also think it quite healthy because it includes both reason /and/
>> emotion, and my guess is that this is exactly what most of us like best
>> about the atmosphere (do you say that in English?) of this newsgroup.
>
> Yes, atmosphere is the right word. I agree with you completely.
>
> I would add one thing. The reason we all get on so well is that we
> respect that others may hold contradictory viewpoints;
What is the point of a discussion when you agree?
> we may disagree
> but, although we may attempt to dissuade them from their wrong-headed (
> :-) ) opinions, we don't descend to infantile name-calling.*
Often it is about culture and politics. Which makes it even more
interesting than arguing with your neighbour.
Although most regulars are (older) man from western countries.
Getting a few asians or africans on board would make things even more
interesting (or from latin america, but I am not sure if the last one
was a success). Definitely lacking a female perspective also.
--
Everytime the IT department forbids something that a researcher deems
necessary for her work there will be another hole in the firewall.
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Am 28.09.2014 00:55, schrieb Stephen:
> On 27/09/2014 20:27, Doctor John wrote:
>> On 27/09/14 20:18, clipka wrote:
>>>
>>> Just noticed that I might have picked the wrong word here: What I meant
>>> is highly valued, because they are experts, are perceived as such, or
>>> for some other reason are presumed to know better than most people. Not
>>> sure whether there's a single matching word for this in English.
>>>
>>
>> I think the words are perfectly equivalent. We might prefix
>> 'authorities' with 'respected' but it's not generally necessary.
>>
>
>
> Or prefix it with cursed, damned, bloody etc.
> Not always respected, often loathed.
>
> I would just say experts.
Hum...I wouldn't call the pope an expert, though he'd certainly fill the
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On 28/09/2014 00:15, andrel wrote:
> Definitely lacking a female perspective also.
I think we drove the last one off.
Janet was somewhat irritated the last time she was here.
--
Regards
Stephen
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On 28/09/2014 00:29, clipka wrote:
> Am 28.09.2014 00:55, schrieb Stephen:
>> On 27/09/2014 20:27, Doctor John wrote:
>>> On 27/09/14 20:18, clipka wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Just noticed that I might have picked the wrong word here: What I meant
>>>> is highly valued, because they are experts, are perceived as such, or
>>>> for some other reason are presumed to know better than most people. Not
>>>> sure whether there's a single matching word for this in English.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think the words are perfectly equivalent. We might prefix
>>> 'authorities' with 'respected' but it's not generally necessary.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Or prefix it with cursed, damned, bloody etc.
>> Not always respected, often loathed.
>>
>> I would just say experts.
>
> Hum...I wouldn't call the pope an expert, though he'd certainly fill the
>
Jesus Christ
Is his field of expertise. I would think.
But I did miss out the other category to fill "are perceived as such, or
for some other reason are presumed to know better than most people."
Know all, know nothing's and politicians.
--
Regards
Stephen
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On 28-9-2014 1:15, andrel wrote:
> On 27-9-2014 21:19, Doctor John wrote:
>> On 27/09/14 20:04, clipka wrote:
>>>
>>> I also think it quite healthy because it includes both reason /and/
>>> emotion, and my guess is that this is exactly what most of us like best
>>> about the atmosphere (do you say that in English?) of this newsgroup.
>>
>> Yes, atmosphere is the right word. I agree with you completely.
>>
>> I would add one thing. The reason we all get on so well is that we
>> respect that others may hold contradictory viewpoints;
>
> What is the point of a discussion when you agree?
I suppose there are different levels of discussion, from where somebody
is curious about the opinion of others on a certain matter, to help
making up one's own mind, to really address issues to may generate
disagreement. But I agree with Christoph and John that this is done here
with due respect to the other's integrity. Nobody tries to convert sword
in hand.
>
>> we may disagree
>> but, although we may attempt to dissuade them from their wrong-headed (
>> :-) ) opinions, we don't descend to infantile name-calling.*
>
> Often it is about culture and politics. Which makes it even more
> interesting than arguing with your neighbour.
> Although most regulars are (older) man from western countries.
>
> Getting a few asians or africans on board would make things even more
> interesting (or from latin america, but I am not sure if the last one
> was a success). Definitely lacking a female perspective also.
>
>
Yes indeed but I am afraid that linguistic barriers maybe more than
cultural barriers are at play in that respect. The female perspective is
another matter however.
Thomas
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[I wonder why sometimes my keyboard is typing different letters from
what I intend....]
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Stephen <mca### [at] aol com> wrote:
> We might disagree with each otherbut there is seldom any personal attacks.
> I think there is too much respect for that to happen.
Unfortunately it's not always true, though. At least not in the past.
Sometimes something that I would call "surprise flamewar" happens.
You present an opinion that you think is pretty reasonable and rather
non-controversial, and even afterwards you still think so, but it
surprisingly results in a full-on flamewar.
For example, I remember this one time that I posted a reply to someone
where I expressed an opinion on whether it's appropriate to mock the
president of a country that's not your own. I thought (and still think)
that it was a quite reasonable opinion. Sure, some people may very well
see it in another way, but I was never expecting in a million years the
incredible flamewar that ensued. Because of an opinion that I think that
it's not appropriate that the presidents of other countries should be
mocked and ridiculed... I'm still having a hard time understanding why.
(The other surprising thing was that I was completely alone in that
opinion. There were like five people ganged up against me, and yes,
it eventually succumbed to personal attacks from their part, and not
a single person, not even one, expressed even the slightest amount of
understanding or agreement. It was almost surreal.)
I suppose it's hopeless to understand the chaotic nature of the human mind.
--
- Warp
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Am 28.09.2014 09:36, schrieb Thomas de Groot:
> [I wonder why sometimes my keyboard is typing different letters from
> what I intend....]
As I suspect you understand a bit of German, here's a little poem for you:
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"O unberachenbere Schreibmischane
"Du tappst die falschen Tisten, luber Bieb.
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;-)
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On 28-9-2014 12:09, clipka wrote:
> Am 28.09.2014 09:36, schrieb Thomas de Groot:
>> [I wonder why sometimes my keyboard is typing different letters from
>> what I intend....]
>
> As I suspect you understand a bit of German, here's a little poem for you:
>
> -------------------------------------
> "O unberachenbere Schreibmischane
>
> "Du tappst die falschen Tisten, luber Bieb.
> -------------------------------------
>
> ;-)
>
LOL! Yes indeed!
Alien contraptions. I sometimes suspect that it sends coded messages to
the Rigellians by manipulating my fingers...
Thomas
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On 28/09/2014 08:36, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> [I wonder why sometimes my keyboard is typing different letters from
> what I intend....]
>
So that is where mine went!
--
Regards
Stephen
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