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From: Saul Luizaga
Subject: Senator Asks Official Why He's Giving More Money To People Who Break The Law. He Answers Poorly.
Date: 12 Sep 2014 22:18:01
Message: <5413a959$1@news.povray.org>
http://www.upworthy.com/you-have-nothing-to-fear-testifying-in-front-of-senator-warren-as-long-as-you-know-facts-woops?c=click

More ehh... I don't know... I'm an idiot testifying without any data at 
all...


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Senator Asks Official Why He's Giving More Money To People Who BreakThe Law. He Answers Poorly.
Date: 12 Sep 2014 22:43:32
Message: <5413af54$1@news.povray.org>
Am 13.09.2014 04:18, schrieb Saul Luizaga:
>
http://www.upworthy.com/you-have-nothing-to-fear-testifying-in-front-of-senator-warren-as-long-as-you-know-facts-woops?c=click
>
>
> More ehh... I don't know... I'm an idiot testifying without any data at
> all...

Hm... you already posted a link to the exact same clip, except that it 
was hosted at YouTube.

Also, while I do find some of the links interesting, I somehow feel 
uncomfortable with the way you present them - kinda like being 
force-fed, and it feels (at least to me) like you're turning this 
newsgroup into a political platform. I think I would feel more 
comfortable if you added some substantial comments of your own: There's 
nothing wrong with trying to start a discussion here, but this feels 
like you just want to sort of "evangelize", and I don't think this 
newsgroup is the right place for that.

As I said, I find most of those links interesting, but the way you hand 
them over to us /still/ makes me uneasy.


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Senator Asks Official Why He's Giving More Money To People Who BreakThe Law. He Answers Poorly.
Date: 12 Sep 2014 22:54:22
Message: <5413b1de$1@news.povray.org>
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 04:43:22 +0200, clipka wrote:

> As I said, I find most of those links interesting, but the way you hand
> them over to us /still/ makes me uneasy.

If it weren't someone who's posted in this group regularly before, I 
would have tagged it as link spam, myself.

Jim



-- 
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: Senator Asks Official Why He's Giving More Money To People WhoBreakThe Law. He Answers Poorly.
Date: 12 Sep 2014 23:09:20
Message: <5413b560$1@news.povray.org>
On 13/09/14 03:54, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 04:43:22 +0200, clipka wrote:
> 
>> As I said, I find most of those links interesting, but the way you hand
>> them over to us /still/ makes me uneasy.
> 
> If it weren't someone who's posted in this group regularly before, I 
> would have tagged it as link spam, myself.
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> 

Indeed , Jim and Chris. I have already blocked this poster.

John
-- 
Protect the Earth
It was not given to you by your parents
You hold it in trust for your children


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Senator Asks Official Why He's Giving More Money To People WhoBreakThe Law. He Answers Poorly.
Date: 13 Sep 2014 00:27:31
Message: <5413c7b3$1@news.povray.org>
On 13/09/2014 03:54, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 04:43:22 +0200, clipka wrote:
>
>> As I said, I find most of those links interesting, but the way you hand
>> them over to us /still/ makes me uneasy.
>
> If it weren't someone who's posted in this group regularly before, I
> would have tagged it as link spam, myself.
>

I agree.
@Saul, IMO you are being a bit too ..
I don't know what. But like Clipka it makes me uneasy. Obviously you 
feel very strongly about these things and having been a life long 
socialist for most of my life I sympathise and rail against injustice 
myself. I think that you are going a bit too hard on this for this 
newsgroup.

Life is a sair fecht.
(apologies for using Scots not English.)
-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Saul Luizaga
Subject: Re: Senator Asks Official Why He's Giving More Money To People WhoBreakTheLaw. He Answers Poorly.
Date: 23 Sep 2014 18:28:36
Message: <5421f414@news.povray.org>
Doctor John wrote:
> On 13/09/14 03:54, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 04:43:22 +0200, clipka wrote:
>>
>>> As I said, I find most of those links interesting, but the way you hand
>>> them over to us /still/ makes me uneasy.
>>
>> If it weren't someone who's posted in this group regularly before, I
>> would have tagged it as link spam, myself.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>
> Indeed , Jim and Chris. I have already blocked this poster.
>
> John
>
Fuck you.


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From: Saul Luizaga
Subject: Re: Senator Asks Official Why He's Giving More Money To People WhoBreakTheLaw. He Answers Poorly.
Date: 23 Sep 2014 18:29:41
Message: <5421f455$1@news.povray.org>
Doctor John wrote:
> Indeed , Jim and Chris. I have already blocked this poster.
>
> John
>
Fuck you asshole


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: Senator Asks Official Why He's Giving More Money ToPeople WhoBreakTheLaw. He Answers Poorly.
Date: 23 Sep 2014 18:50:59
Message: <5421F94D.8000400@gmail.com>
On 24-9-2014 0:28, Saul Luizaga wrote:
> Doctor John wrote:
>> On 13/09/14 03:54, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 04:43:22 +0200, clipka wrote:
>>>
>>>> As I said, I find most of those links interesting, but the way you hand
>>>> them over to us /still/ makes me uneasy.
>>>
>>> If it weren't someone who's posted in this group regularly before, I
>>> would have tagged it as link spam, myself.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Indeed , Jim and Chris. I have already blocked this poster.
>>
>> John
>>
> Fuck you.

This is a public service announcement:

You might not be aware of it, but this is a violation of the rules in 
this newsgroup, it could get you banned from all povray newsgroups.*

Your behaviour also does also not help in getting your point across.
I suggest that you apologize and restrict the number of times you refer 
to what others have done on obscure websites and simply try to make your 
point using your own words and in an orderly fashion.

Many of us are glad that at least there are some places on the internet 
that are free from profanities, trolls, porno, and spam. Please behave 
like a good guest in this community and keep it that way.
Thanx


*) As has been explained before, this newsgroup is not part of the 
general newsgroups of the internet jungle outside. It is hosted on a 
private server and only uses a standard protocol for everybody else to 
easily connect.


-- 
Everytime the IT department forbids something that a researcher deems
necessary for her work there will be another hole in the firewall.


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From: Saul Luizaga
Subject: Re: Senator Asks Official Why He's Giving More Money To People WhoBreakThe Law. He Answers Poorly.
Date: 23 Sep 2014 19:44:02
Message: <542205c2@news.povray.org>
I'll address everyone in this message:

I can't believe the reaction of you people to my messages, I thought 
you'd take them with rational, skeptical and critical thinking, but 
you're taking them emotionally, "I'm uneasy", of course, that's the 
point, it's something fucking wrong with the World we live in and we 
should see that and at least discuss it, with off-line people and do as 
much as you can, even if it's just passing the news, so people get aware 
and that makes noticeable changes over time, are things of common 
interest not only for a certain Country but Humanity, I don't believe in 
nationalism, I consider myself a citizen of the World and as such my 
concern for their citizens.

Yes I'm using this a political platform, and why not? the Internet is 
open to everything and I think it's a great idea to share good and/or 
scientific ideas to solve all kinds of problems and to point out what's 
wrong, so we can see and do what we can, no matter how little, and it's 
our common wellbeing what's at stake, so if have the courage to get out 
of your "perfect little corner of the world", you'll see that the World 
is pretty much fucked up and the greedy 1% thrives and hopes for the 
indolence you manifest so abundantly, and allows them to try to control 
even more inhumanly our lives for a little bit more of unnecessary 
profit, even if it's in a self-destructive way as it is mostly.

I'm political in the sense of a scientific and rational distribution of 
resources, I don't care about power, left, right, center of some 
delusional political ideology, that fails miserably because of the 
Monetary System underlying to everything, specially when money people 
control the politicians, the democracy is an illusion, that's how big 
corporations in USA, sell nothing of their goods, like private jets, 
some having several and get bailout by their Gov, instead of foreclosure 
and give those corps to competent people or something, instead of just 
giving them billions for their fuck ups, normal people go live under a 
bridge maybe even prison, I don't know, for bankruptcy, how is that 
fair? that's BS, pure and simple. If resources are assigned rationally 
to each person, I'm pretty sure most if not all of them will work gladly 
to return the favor, to eliminate starvation, easily curable diseases 
and homelessness, so going in that direction requires to know what's 
wrong, so you can suggest or promote a 
project/movement/initiative/system with a educated opinion, that's it.

I've learned that Nature does everything in the most efficient way, so 
why waste words in lengthy reviews if I can summarize my POV in a few 
words? Why you say I didn't? the video I link, it's pretty much 
self-explanatory, and the title and article that video is in, there is 
no need much for me to write I think, just my opinion on it, and it's 
just trying to reason and have common sense about them, it's mostly 
informative, if you have something to comment, fine if not fine too. I 
think it's a public service to point out social injustice to other 
fellow humans, that's about it.


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From: Saul Luizaga
Subject: Re: Senator Asks Official Why He's Giving More Money ToPeople WhoBreakTheLaw.He Answers Poorly.
Date: 23 Sep 2014 20:01:07
Message: <542209c3@news.povray.org>
andrel wrote:
> This is a public service announcement:
>
> You might not be aware of it, but this is a violation of the rules in
> this newsgroup, it could get you banned from all povray newsgroups.*

No insults allowed? fine I'll take out the insults but I won't 
apologize, the guy deserves it.

> Your behaviour also does also not help in getting your point across.

I made a post for that purpose.

> I suggest that you apologize and restrict the number of times you refer
> to what others have done on obscure websites

obscure? are you that paranoid or what it's wrong with you? Have you 
ever heard the of 'humanitarian'? that¡s what all those sites are all 
about, and I'll do as I please, because of my freedom of thought and 
expression.

> and simply try to make your
> point using your own words and in an orderly fashion.

I did, and I explained this on the other post I made on this thread.

>
> Many of us are glad that at least there are some places on the internet
> that are free from profanities, trolls, porno, and spam. Please behave
> like a good guest in this community and keep it that way.
> Thanx

I am, I post things that are worth sharing, spam is the opposite, 
selfish ads for self-benefit without consideration to others.

> *) As has been explained before, this newsgroup is not part of the
> general newsgroups of the internet jungle outside. It is hosted on a
> private server and only uses a standard protocol for everybody else to
> easily connect.

I don't pretend to disturb the newsgroup but inform, I've seen somewhat 
interesting social articles, and I thought these would be also of 
interest but I get received with rejection instead of analyzing what I 
write and link.


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