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> You
> don't have to turn on many lights 100W lights to easily exceed that...
You still have 100W heaters that give off a bit of light? ;-)
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>> You
>> don't have to turn on many lights 100W lights to easily exceed that...
>
> You still have 100W heaters that give off a bit of light? ;-)
Yeah, pretty much.
In my mum's house [where most of this render took place] there's only
two lights in the building that aren't incandescent.
Trouble is, those mini fluorescent things take about quarter of an hour
to turn on...
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Am 30.07.2014 09:47, schrieb Orchid Win7 v1:
>>> You
>>> don't have to turn on many lights 100W lights to easily exceed that...
>>
>> You still have 100W heaters that give off a bit of light? ;-)
>
> Yeah, pretty much.
>
> In my mum's house [where most of this render took place] there's only
> two lights in the building that aren't incandescent.
>
> Trouble is, those mini fluorescent things take about quarter of an hour
> to turn on...
Sounds like they're /all/ pretty much outdated.
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> Trouble is, those mini fluorescent things take about quarter of an hour
> to turn on...
They must be *very* old ones then. Even the 99p ones that Tesco were
selling a while back turn on instantly. Given the price of them, and
even the price of LED lights now, it's pretty much a no-brainer to just
throw all your incandescent bulbs in the bin immediately.
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On 30/07/2014 10:13, scott wrote:
>> Trouble is, those mini fluorescent things take about quarter of an hour
>> to turn on...
>
> They must be *very* old ones then. Even the 99p ones that Tesco were
> selling a while back turn on instantly. Given the price of them, and
> even the price of LED lights now, it's pretty much a no-brainer to just
> throw all your incandescent bulbs in the bin immediately.
When you have a single fixation system for the bulb, maybe.
But here (France !), I have two different system: screwing or bayonet mount.
So, it's not just "count, buy the number of bulbs and replace", each
mounting system must be checked and counted separatly.
Moreover, the impact of trashing still working apparatus is still a bit
disturbing.
I heard I'm not in the only country with such dual system. And bayonet
is the best system for customer, despite the extra-cost of the receiving
device (it's more than just a foil of metal pushed by a press). It's
easier to put and remove a bulb, and there is no tension on the external
body.
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> When you have a single fixation system for the bulb, maybe.
> But here (France !), I have two different system: screwing or bayonet mount.
>
> So, it's not just "count, buy the number of bulbs and replace", each
> mounting system must be checked and counted separatly.
Also in the UK we have by no means a single system, I have at least
three types in my house. The traditional bayonet is IIRC in all the
bedrooms, there are screw-fit "candle" bulbs in the downstairs rooms,
and those spot-light bulbs with prongs on in the kitchen. I kept all the
bayonets as fluorescents as they hardly get used (max 1 hour per day),
but converted the spots and candle bulbs to LED as they see much more
use and I could get my money back in under a year. It wasn't that tricky
to count them and order the different types.
> Moreover, the impact of trashing still working apparatus is still a bit
> disturbing.
If you feel uncomfortable throwing them away, you could sell them
(although that might be illegal now?), give them away or fit them in
places that you very rarely use (eg attic or cupboard or something).
> I heard I'm not in the only country with such dual system. And bayonet
> is the best system for customer, despite the extra-cost of the receiving
> device (it's more than just a foil of metal pushed by a press). It's
> easier to put and remove a bulb, and there is no tension on the external
> body.
The other thing about threaded bulbs is that there is the chance they
come loose over time due to the heat cycling of the thread. With bayonet
it is impossible to come loose.
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Am 30.07.2014 10:33, schrieb Le_Forgeron:
> On 30/07/2014 10:13, scott wrote:
>>> Trouble is, those mini fluorescent things take about quarter of an hour
>>> to turn on...
>>
>> They must be *very* old ones then. Even the 99p ones that Tesco were
>> selling a while back turn on instantly. Given the price of them, and
>> even the price of LED lights now, it's pretty much a no-brainer to just
>> throw all your incandescent bulbs in the bin immediately.
>
> When you have a single fixation system for the bulb, maybe.
> But here (France !), I have two different system: screwing or bayonet mount.
Sounds like you're screwed then ;-) (SCNR)
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scott <sco### [at] scott com> wrote:
> > Trouble is, those mini fluorescent things take about quarter of an hour
> > to turn on...
>
> They must be *very* old ones then. Even the 99p ones that Tesco were
> selling a while back turn on instantly. Given the price of them, and
> even the price of LED lights now, it's pretty much a no-brainer to just
> throw all your incandescent bulbs in the bin immediately.
No way.
actinic.
As far as fittings go. A flat I was in recently had bayonet fittings with three
prongs instead of two.
Stephen
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> No way.
I think whatever brightness you want is available, within reason. The
problem is likely the cheap standard ones are 40W or 60W equivalents,
and they're probably lying a bit with those claims too. I'm pretty sure
I've seen some monster 150W and 200W equivalents.
And the problem with LEDs is that you can't get a 100W equivalent LED
(about 10W) in a package the size of a standard bulb - it just generates
too much heat and would cook itself. So you need to use more bulbs, we
have two 5x5W fittings in our living room so it was perfect for
switching to LED and reducing the power from 400W down to 50W, but it
only made financial sense because those lights are normally on for
several hours every day.
> halogen ones are too
> actinic.
I don't think halogens offer any efficiency improvements over
incandescents do they?
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On 7/30/2014 1:13 AM, scott wrote:
>> Trouble is, those mini fluorescent things take about quarter of an hour
>> to turn on...
>
> They must be *very* old ones then. Even the 99p ones that Tesco were
> selling a while back turn on instantly. Given the price of them, and
> even the price of LED lights now, it's pretty much a no-brainer to just
> throw all your incandescent bulbs in the bin immediately.
Yes well.. Here in the good old US, you get morons like the one who
tried to tell me that, "other lights hurt my eyes", which I supposed
meant that the dimwit was still trying to use the really old ones, which
flicker, and thought that the new ones did too. He also whined about
them not being "natural light", which is, you know, the whole point of
the bulbs with a blue coloration to them, to make them more natural, as
per outdoor light. So the clown was actually complaining that he didn't
like light that actually bloody **was** a more natural color, instead of
the ugly yellowish stuff standard incandescents produce. lol
Seriously though, I just so love living in a country where the answer to
everything from which light bulb they pick, to which over sized SUV they
drive, comes down to, "I don't like those more cost effective ones.",
and/or, "and besides, I might need the extra stuff it can do for some
reason, once in my entire life time!", and they get praise for this
stupid attitude by such a large number of other idiots.
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