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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Second question
Date: 9 Jul 2014 07:50:01
Message: <web.53bd2b661ac999fe7f6b03a40@news.povray.org>
Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> From this whole exercise I must conclude that the "Clean Desk" movement
> has gotten nowhere at all :-)


I don't know about that. From what I've read here everyone seems quite
regulated. Mine is so cluttered it is like an archilogical dig finding things. I
have even misplaced a dwarf wolly mamoth, somewhere.


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Second question
Date: 9 Jul 2014 08:24:00
Message: <53bd3460$1@news.povray.org>
On 9-7-2014 13:45, Stephen wrote:
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>>  From this whole exercise I must conclude that the "Clean Desk" movement
>> has gotten nowhere at all :-)
>
>
> I don't know about that. From what I've read here everyone seems quite
> regulated.

Well, regulated compared with /your/ desk? ;-)

Mine is so cluttered it is like an archilogical dig finding things. I
> have even misplaced a dwarf wolly mamoth, somewhere.

Yes, that's what I mean. I can easily recognise that :-)

Thomas


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From: Francois Labreque
Subject: Re: Second question
Date: 9 Jul 2014 09:53:23
Message: <53bd4953$1@news.povray.org>
Le 2014-07-08 23:05, Jim Henderson a écrit :
> On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 03:36:23 +0200, clipka wrote:
>
>>   but the mere thought of any box providing no
>> conceivable escape route for a cat really tops it off.
>
> With our three cats, that doesn't seem infeasible.  They seem to prefer
> spending all their time in the various boxes we've left around the house
> for them.
>
> Jim

Feline rules of acquisition:
1. Can I eat it?
2. Can I sleep on it?
	2.a.  Were you trying to read that?
	2.b.  Will cat hair mess it up?
3. Can I sleep in it?

If you've answered yes to any of the questions above, the item now 
belongs to the cat and any attempt to reclaim it will prove to be futile.

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From: Francois Labreque
Subject: Re: Second question
Date: 9 Jul 2014 09:57:27
Message: <53bd4a47$1@news.povray.org>

> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>>  From this whole exercise I must conclude that the "Clean Desk" movement
>> has gotten nowhere at all :-)
>
>
> I don't know about that. From what I've read here everyone seems quite
> regulated. Mine is so cluttered it is like an archilogical dig finding things. I
> have even misplaced a dwarf wolly mamoth, somewhere.
>

I had a prof in university who would routinely "lose" the phone on his 
desk and would have no choice but start from the wall jack and follow 
the wire, as the stack of papers and circuit boards would muffle the 
ring sound.



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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Second question
Date: 9 Jul 2014 11:47:42
Message: <53bd641e@news.povray.org>
Am 09.07.2014 15:57, schrieb Francois Labreque:

> I had a prof in university who would routinely "lose" the phone on his
> desk and would have no choice but start from the wall jack and follow
> the wire, as the stack of papers and circuit boards would muffle the
> ring sound.

He'll be screwed when they replace the old phones with wireless ones..


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Second question
Date: 9 Jul 2014 14:48:54
Message: <53bd8e96@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 09:53:31 -0400, Francois Labreque wrote:

> Le 2014-07-08 23:05, Jim Henderson a écrit :
>> On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 03:36:23 +0200, clipka wrote:
>>
>>>   but the mere thought of any box providing no
>>> conceivable escape route for a cat really tops it off.
>>
>> With our three cats, that doesn't seem infeasible.  They seem to prefer
>> spending all their time in the various boxes we've left around the
>> house for them.
>>
>> Jim
> 
> Feline rules of acquisition:
> 1. Can I eat it?
> 2. Can I sleep on it?
> 	2.a.  Were you trying to read that?
> 	2.b.  Will cat hair mess it up?
> 3. Can I sleep in it?
> 
> If you've answered yes to any of the questions above, the item now
> belongs to the cat and any attempt to reclaim it will prove to be
> futile.

That explains what happens when a cat lies down on your lap, 
certainly...We call it "cat stapling," but I've also heard it called 
"feline paralysis."

Jim


-- 
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Second question
Date: 9 Jul 2014 17:21:20
Message: <53bdb250$1@news.povray.org>
On 09/07/2014 7:48 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 09:53:31 -0400, Francois Labreque wrote:

>> If you've answered yes to any of the questions above, the item now
>> belongs to the cat and any attempt to reclaim it will prove to be
>> futile.
>
> That explains what happens when a cat lies down on your lap,
> certainly...We call it "cat stapling," but I've also heard it called
> "feline paralysis."
>


My story is:
Quite a few years ago, my wife took time off work because she was ill. 
When I came home that night she was lying on the sofa. Because our cat 
had gone into the bedroom and head butted* her until she got out of bed. 
Then he went to sleep in "his" bed.

* Yes, the cat was from Glasgow and in the UK a head butt is called a 
Glasgow Kiss. So maybe Bertie was being affectionate?


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Second question
Date: 10 Jul 2014 03:13:02
Message: <53be3cfe$1@news.povray.org>
On 9-7-2014 20:48, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 09:53:31 -0400, Francois Labreque wrote:
>
>> Le 2014-07-08 23:05, Jim Henderson a écrit :
>> If you've answered yes to any of the questions above, the item now
>> belongs to the cat and any attempt to reclaim it will prove to be
>> futile.
>
> That explains what happens when a cat lies down on your lap,
> certainly...We call it "cat stapling," but I've also heard it called
> "feline paralysis."

And there is no cure.

One of our cats found it quite normal at night to sleep on my chest, 
front paws on both sides of my neck, snoring in my ears, saliva dripping 
in my neck. The worst however, was when he was dreaming...

Thomas


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Second question
Date: 10 Jul 2014 03:29:16
Message: <53be40cc$1@news.povray.org>
On 9-7-2014 13:45, Stephen wrote:
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>>  From this whole exercise I must conclude that the "Clean Desk" movement
>> has gotten nowhere at all :-)
>
>
> I don't know about that. From what I've read here everyone seems quite
> regulated. Mine is so cluttered it is like an archilogical dig finding things. I
> have even misplaced a dwarf wolly mamoth, somewhere.

The Clean Desk Policy was very strict. Except for a screen, a keyboard, 
a mouse and a phone, nothing was allowed after working hours. It meant 
you had to re-create your own junk every morning and clean it up before 
leaving. The bright idea (for which managers are sometimes known) behind 
the concept was that a "cluttered desk revealed a cluttered mind" etc 
etc. I suspect that the ideal was a permanently pristine desk during 
working hours.

Ah, but you know all that I am sure.

Thomas


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From: Francois Labreque
Subject: Re: Second question
Date: 10 Jul 2014 09:06:34
Message: <53be8fda$1@news.povray.org>

> On 9-7-2014 13:45, Stephen wrote:
>> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>>>  From this whole exercise I must conclude that the "Clean Desk" movement
>>> has gotten nowhere at all :-)
>>
>>
>> I don't know about that. From what I've read here everyone seems quite
>> regulated. Mine is so cluttered it is like an archilogical dig finding
>> things. I
>> have even misplaced a dwarf wolly mamoth, somewhere.
>
> The Clean Desk Policy was very strict. Except for a screen, a keyboard,
> a mouse and a phone, nothing was allowed after working hours. It meant
> you had to re-create your own junk every morning and clean it up before
> leaving. The bright idea (for which managers are sometimes known) behind
> the concept was that a "cluttered desk revealed a cluttered mind" etc
> etc. I suspect that the ideal was a permanently pristine desk during
> working hours.
>
> Ah, but you know all that I am sure.
>
> Thomas
>

At my work, the "clean desk policy" was to prevent confidential 
information from falling into the wrong hands, which makes sense at 
first, but quickly veered into GATTACA levels of paranoia, since going 
through someone's rolodeck might reveal which customers and which 
suppliers she's working with and may give a competitor information about 
deals she's pursuing (assuming, of course, that the janitor is really a 
competitor in disguise), so they enforced rules such as "no telephone 
numbers must be visible" - which meant that depending on how anal 
retentive the person doing the evening workplace audit was, you could 
get written up for having the city phonebook on your bookshelf, or a 
business card from your dentist.

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