On 29-5-2014 14:09, Doctor John wrote:

> Check your router. Without knowing its make, it's hard to give general
> instructions but try to find a blocked sites list.
> If you can't do that, can you borrow another machine which you can
> connect through your router?



Thomas

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Am 30.05.2014 09:41, schrieb Thomas de Groot:
> On 29-5-2014 15:38, Francois Labreque wrote:

>>> For the second time within a couple of months I get a strange problem
>>> with google. Last month it just stopped by itself after a few days, now
>>> I don't know.
>>>
>>> - It starts with my firewall refusing access to:
>>> http://tools.google.com/service/update2?
>>> which is followed by a long string of (changing) characters.
>>>
>>> - It tells me that the it is blocked by internal black list.
>>>
>>
>> Please post exact error message, even if it's in Dutch, Swahili or
>> Klingon.
>
> It says this:
> 30-5-2014 9:10:23
>
http://tools.google.com/service/update2?w=6:OB0uOgy6aOiP05eNOkxg0Gm7_R7kgeODhPDFhAaRltfunxs0_0rKhfA4L-M3jT0Y2jYobBuNPd20b7RbKqNZ9RFZXsviIt0YlWSQ4ElJ785idYyaM2hkVE9B1_Vb4dsT8kTsO6eB-Qi-LLD6DbnQKXRPycbUFtF1atiNJlu7-lzHJy_gUPOt1W9xGWV9KieBmTptKbLCq0oY9Dm1vOIl_nj4cJRSNtSOgb46iy1Y-G0gvHu3hZ7JNqcgFeiZznXH-wM-vMzGDZPcxqMPixjTe_VG3yqDUWpSzo_h1lVdrDgY2_JxPRT8a4Kn3aXVwOU9GX8pQ9sDBEBkPP7VOPzUWw
> Geblokkeerd door interne zwarte lijst    C:\Program Files
> (x86)\Google\Update\GoogleUpdate.exe    NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM

What exactly is "it"?

>>> - It concerns the x86 program file Google\Update\GoogleUpdate.exe
>>
>> Find the file in question and check its digital signature (right-click
>> properties, etc, etc...)
>>
>> Mine has a valid verisign certificate issued in 2008.  If yours does
>> not, it was probably hijacked by some malware.  Delete it from your
>> system.
>
> It has a verisign certificate valid from 2007 to 2010.

Then technically it does not have a valid certificate, as it has expired.


> IT seems to me that either google is blocked at the firewall but I have
> yet been able to find where the mentioned 'black list' is hidden, or
> firefox is blocking google.

I'd guess it's the former. Remedy of course strongly depends on what 
firewall you are using.

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On 30-5-2014 12:57, clipka wrote:
> What exactly is "it"?

The log of filtered websites in the antivirus/firewall system.


> Then technically it does not have a valid certificate, as it has expired.

I suppose so. Interestingly, I bought the PC and installed Firefox - and 
thus google - in 2011.

> I'd guess it's the former. Remedy of course strongly depends on what
> firewall you are using.
>

Yes, and I am going to try something which was suggested by the ESET 
forum concerning google chrome (ESET being the antivirus/firewall 
company, last year tested as best in NL)

Thomas

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Am 30.05.2014 12:57, schrieb clipka:

>> IT seems to me that either google is blocked at the firewall but I have
>> yet been able to find where the mentioned 'black list' is hidden, or
>> firefox is blocking google.
>
> I'd guess it's the former. Remedy of course strongly depends on what
> firewall you are using.

Sorry, didn't notice the attached image until after the post.

It might be related to an ESET feature called "temporary IP address 
blacklist", which can be viewed (and hopefully edited) in the "setup" 
section of ESET ("view temporary IP address blacklist" in the English 
edition).

(No, I have no experience whatsoever with ESET; I just did a bit of 
googling.)

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On 30-5-2014 13:22, clipka wrote:
> It might be related to an ESET feature called "temporary IP address
> blacklist", which can be viewed (and hopefully edited) in the "setup"
> section of ESET ("view temporary IP address blacklist" in the English
> edition).

I thought so too but alas, the blacklist is empty!

So I tried to /exclude/ the google updater from filtering ( as suggested 
by the forum: no change.

I am a bit out of ideas at the moment... :-(

>
> (No, I have no experience whatsoever with ESET; I just did a bit of
> googling.)
>

Thomas

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Am 30.05.2014 14:30, schrieb Thomas de Groot:
> On 30-5-2014 13:22, clipka wrote:
>> It might be related to an ESET feature called "temporary IP address
>> blacklist", which can be viewed (and hopefully edited) in the "setup"
>> section of ESET ("view temporary IP address blacklist" in the English
>> edition).
>
> I thought so too but alas, the blacklist is empty!
>
> So I tried to /exclude/ the google updater from filtering ( as suggested
> by the forum: no change.
>
> I am a bit out of ideas at the moment... :-(

Well, you'd think that /somebody/ at ESET should know what this 
"internal blacklist" is, so I'd probably try to bother them again.

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On 30-5-2014 14:38, clipka wrote:

> Well, you'd think that /somebody/ at ESET should know what this
> "internal blacklist" is, so I'd probably try to bother them again.
>
Which I am certainly going to do!

Thomas

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By the way, there was a wrong attachment with this post but never mind. 
Apparently from that one even (automatically) junked e-mails containing 
shit can leave a trace...

Thomas

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Le 2014-05-29 17:28, Doctor John a écrit :
> On 29/05/14 19:01, Le_Forgeron wrote:
>>
>> The DMCA (and the RIAA and similar) do not agree with you and had its
>> way to the law. Information is property, even if immaterial.
>> Same with patent (and patent-troll). That's the law, you can have it
>> changed but you have to live in its current version.
>>
>
> Sorry, I live in the UK. US legislation is not applicable here. Note
> also that that within this legislation area there is no such thing as
> software copyright.
>
>> Have you no problem with that remote-camera in your dressing and your
>> bathroom ? We also connected your toilet. It's just information. (and we
>> sell it to your insurance company and tailor... your bank is also
>> interested in your health analysis from the pattern of the flush on the
>> toilet).
>
> What? Get real not paranoid.

Big Data is here, and will only get worse.

Smart thermostats that detect when you walk in a room and automatically 
turn up the heat or AC?  You betcha they keep stats and upload them to 
the Mothership.  Now these are using wifi to talk to one another, and 
since the GoogleMobile conveniently recorded the SSID of all the wifi 
networks it saw, it know exactly where in the world this person is, and 
now it knows their personal habits:  when they wake up, at what time 
they leave the house, when they come back, at what time they go in the 
kitchen, where they spend their evening, at what time they go to bed.

Andy used to be a single who spent most evenings in his bedroom 
(probably playing computer games), but now on Fridays, he comes home 
form work and spends a long time in the bathroom, then leaves and comes 
back late and goes straight to bed, and spends his saturday afternoons 
in the kitchen, and evenings in the living room.  Combine this with the 
fact that his Netflix queue preference has moved from historical WWII 
movies to romcoms, you only need a little analytics engine to start 
making correlations and soon enough, you'll be able to figure out that 
he's got a new girlfriend, so you can start showing him jewelry ads...

Insurance companies are pushing to install black boxes in their 
customers' cars to record their driving habits and reward good drivers 
with lower premiums.  While they say they're not GPS-equipped, they do 
come with accelerometers in order to see if you drive like a maniac or 
not, and since insurance companies have to know where you live, using 
only acceleration data, and GIS data they can figure out which roads you 
take to work everyday, where you go for entertainment or shopping.  Oh! 
By the way, Officer Smith just subpoenaed this information as part of 
his investigation into your ex-girlfriend's disappearance.

Some utility companies have started installing smartmeters that can 
charge different rates based on the time of day, and also record your 
electricity usage.  Thes utility companies are trying to to push to have 
the means to selectively turn off appliances during high demand hours. 
Kid just threw up on the dining room table, 1 hour before the In-Laws 
arrived for Mother's day brunch and you want to wash it?  "HAL! Open the 
washing machine door!
- I'm sorry Dave! I'm afraid I can't do that."

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Le 2014-05-29 18:38, Stephen a écrit :
> To give my tu'pence worth.
>
>
> I remember my old Grannie (long dead now) saying:
> "Never write anything you don't want everyone to read."
> She was right. As long as human nature is human nature, someone will
> have something to hide and someone will want to know it.
> Open source is a wonderful idea for a perfect world. I commend it. But
> until we develop telepathy. Forget it. There will always be someone
> trying to screw you over.
> It distresses me the way people display their lives on "Social Media"
> what ever the feck that means.
> As John Brunner, wrote: "The Sheep Look Up"
>
> Phew! I got that off my chest. :-D
>
In the early 90s, when the internet was barely an infant, in my 
university's computer lab, there was a big sign on the wall that said 
something like:

"Don't say anything on newsgroups or IRC that you aren't willing to 
repeat in front of a judge, with your family in the audience!"


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