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On 06/10/2013 12:24 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sat, 05 Oct 2013 21:23:25 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>
>
> Oh, no, I didn't think you were being personal at all
>
Good.
>>>
>>> LOL
>>>
>>>
>> I win. :-P
>
> D*mn you, I'll get you next time. ;)
>
I am sure that you will get your chance. :-)
>>>
>> A couple of years ago, we had a spate of forged disability stickers,
>> going around. And there was a lot of hard stares going on. It would only
>> be a very boorish person that would ask. Having said that, there has
>> been an increase in road rage. And a man was killed, recently over a
>> parking space at a supermarket. But then when things like that make the
>> headlines. It must be rare.
>
> It probably is - headlines are intended to be sensational, not to inform.
>
True.
> When I broke my leg in the mid 90's, I was given a handicapped tag (a
> temporary one). It amazed me how many people parked in the spaces who
> didn't appear to have a need
AFAIK we only give disabled stickers (handicapped has dropped out of
use) to permanently disabled people. My wife qualifies because of her
sight and I could use it to drive her places. But she has never applied
for one because she is mobile and and can walk. (It seems strange to
think of a partially sighted who cannot drive, getting a parking sticker.)
> - but there are, of course, plenty of hidden
> causes, to - extreme asthma comes to mind, and that's sadly all too
> common here in Utah -
Well here is another "no data" opinion. :-)
I think that the increase in allergies, hay fever, asthma etc. Could be
due to the amount of processed food, we eat.
Discus. ;-)
> because we often have such poor air quality, and
> the altitude doesn't help.
>
I did not know about the air quality, the altitude, yes.
>>>
>> I am reading the news stories about obamacare and I'm thinking that
>> there must be a lot of evil selfish people over there.
>> But I know what happens when a socialist says anything on the internet.
>> ;-)
>
> It really seems there *are* a lot of selfish people here. The really odd
> thing (to me, anyways) is that the most selfish claim to be following a
> guy allegedly from about 2,000 years ago who taught such things as caring
> for the sick and the poor. That was, in fact, one of the core lessons
> taught.
>
Taught but not learnt.
It is funny how they pick and chose which parts of the bible they want
to believe. And how it is mostly the old testament, they chose.
It would make you boak. Funny how the Scots have a lot of words for
unpleasant things. :-)
>> I think so. Kids and much older are aping American youth culture. Just
>> like in the 50's but not James Dean or Marlon Brando.
>
> Arguably, we don't have "football hooligans" over here, nor have we (yet)
> had riots like the one in London a year or two ago. Well, at least not
> *recently*.
Tradition, really.
The riots are sometimes the only way to get the politician's attention.
Hell mend the lot of them!
--
Regards
Stephen
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On Sun, 06 Oct 2013 10:54:41 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>>>> LOL
>>>>
>>> I win. :-P
>>
>> D*mn you, I'll get you next time. ;)
>>
> I am sure that you will get your chance. :-)
I try never to miss a chance when it's important. ;)
>> When I broke my leg in the mid 90's, I was given a handicapped tag (a
>> temporary one). It amazed me how many people parked in the spaces who
>> didn't appear to have a need
>
> AFAIK we only give disabled stickers (handicapped has dropped out of
> use) to permanently disabled people. My wife qualifies because of her
> sight and I could use it to drive her places. But she has never applied
> for one because she is mobile and and can walk. (It seems strange to
> think of a partially sighted who cannot drive, getting a parking
> sticker.)
Most places in the US still do temporary ones AFAIK, but enforcement is
not by law enforcement, but rather is on a voluntary basis. That's
probably why some people just don't care.
At a local grocery store, I even saw someone take up two spaces - they
did have a disabled (I think that's the term we use here now as well,
come to think of it) permit, but that still doesn't permit them to park
like a jerk.
>> - but there are, of course, plenty of hidden causes, to - extreme
>> asthma comes to mind, and that's sadly all too common here in Utah -
>
> Well here is another "no data" opinion. :-)
> I think that the increase in allergies, hay fever, asthma etc. Could be
> due to the amount of processed food, we eat.
> Discus. ;-)
I think there's something to that, actually. Though I think a lot of the
increase as well is due to better diagnosis. I have a cat allergy, and
have for most of my life (based on the symptoms and how long I remember
having them before the diagnosis). Respiratory issues also relate to air
quality (and here in the Salt Lake Valley, especially during the winter,
the pollution gets trapped under an inversion and stays in the valley -
which makes for a couple very tough months for those with worse asthma
than mine - I need to use an inhaler about two or three times a year).
>> because we often have such poor air quality, and the altitude doesn't
>> help.
>>
> I did not know about the air quality, the altitude, yes.
See "inversion" above. There are days where the air here in the valley
is actually a rather sickly yellow-green colour.
>>> I am reading the news stories about obamacare and I'm thinking that
>>> there must be a lot of evil selfish people over there.
>>> But I know what happens when a socialist says anything on the
>>> internet. ;-)
>>
>> It really seems there *are* a lot of selfish people here. The really
>> odd thing (to me, anyways) is that the most selfish claim to be
>> following a guy allegedly from about 2,000 years ago who taught such
>> things as caring for the sick and the poor. That was, in fact, one of
>> the core lessons taught.
>>
>>
> Taught but not learnt.
Clearly. I keep trying to find the verse in the Bible that says "and
Jesus spake unto the masses 'I got mine, Jack!'," but I keep not finding
it. ;)
> It is funny how they pick and chose which parts of the bible they want
> to believe. And how it is mostly the old testament, they chose.
> It would make you boak. Funny how the Scots have a lot of words for
> unpleasant things. :-)
Yep, and aye. ;)
>>> I think so. Kids and much older are aping American youth culture. Just
>>> like in the 50's but not James Dean or Marlon Brando.
>>
>> Arguably, we don't have "football hooligans" over here, nor have we
>> (yet)
>> had riots like the one in London a year or two ago. Well, at least not
>> *recently*.
>
> Tradition, really.
> The riots are sometimes the only way to get the politician's attention.
> Hell mend the lot of them!
We do know about using riots to get the attention of the English
overlords over here. ;)
Jim
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"Jim Henderson" wrote in message news:52504552$1@news.povray.org...
>On Sat, 05 Oct 2013 11:37:19 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>> This may be a cultural thing. In the UK about that time, fat or over
>> weight was seen to be a sign of greed, gluttany or self/over indulgence.
>> When I reached 210 lb at 5' 10" I was shocked into going on a crash
>> diet.
>
>Well, yeah - but we also have causes that aren't due to overeating, but
>the stigma is still applied to those who have other issues.
>
>The result is that there are lots of people here who don't know enough to
>mind their own business. Many people feel the need to comment - directly
>- to people they don't know about their weight.
We have causes that aren't due to racism that cause people to say racist
things. Do you "mind your own business" when you hear hate speech?
-Shay
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"Jim Henderson" wrote in message news:52509f91@news.povray.org...
> It really seems there *are* a lot of selfish people here. The really odd
> thing (to me, anyways) is that the most selfish claim to be following a
> guy allegedly from about 2,000 years ago who taught such things as caring
> for the sick and the poor. That was, in fact, one of the core lessons
> taught.
When I got my driver's license, my father offered to buy me a car ...
if ...
if if if ...
I told him to keep it. I was becoming a man and didn't care to replace
childhood with another form of subjugation. There are several reasons
besides selfishness (I'd include fear of centralized authority here, but
I've few sympathizers in this group) a person would reject involuntary
shared responsibility, even if he _benefits_ financially.
On religion, Thomas Jefferson said, "It does me no injury for my neighbor to
say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks
my leg.” I don't want /my/ lifestyle choices to pick another man's my pocket
or break his leg. I want them to remain /my/ lifestyle choices ... and for
your choices to remain yours.
If you'd prefer the equivalent to obligatory speed limits for diet,
recreation, and sexuality, then continue to oblige others with the
consequences of those choices. I'll forever object, but not out of greed.
-Shay
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On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 07:38:03 -0500, Shay wrote:
> "Jim Henderson" wrote in message news:52504552$1@news.povray.org...
>
>>On Sat, 05 Oct 2013 11:37:19 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>>> This may be a cultural thing. In the UK about that time, fat or over
>>> weight was seen to be a sign of greed, gluttany or self/over
>>> indulgence.
>>> When I reached 210 lb at 5' 10" I was shocked into going on a crash
>>> diet.
>>
>>Well, yeah - but we also have causes that aren't due to overeating, but
>>the stigma is still applied to those who have other issues.
>>
>>The result is that there are lots of people here who don't know enough
>>to mind their own business. Many people feel the need to comment -
>>directly - to people they don't know about their weight.
>
> We have causes that aren't due to racism that cause people to say racist
> things. Do you "mind your own business" when you hear hate speech?
It depends on the specific circumstances.
Jim
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On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 08:14:23 -0500, Shay wrote:
> I don't want /my/ lifestyle choices to pick another man's my pocket
> or break his leg. I want them to remain /my/ lifestyle choices ... and
> for your choices to remain yours.
If you break your leg and have elected to not have health insurance, then
it kinda sucks to be you.
Except that it doesn't, because here in the US, you get treated whether
or not you have insurance.
So it seems only fair that you be mandated to carry some form of
insurance, since you'll get the benefit from the system.
Or are you saying that hospitals should leave the sick, injured, and
dying on the doorstep if they don't have insurance?
Jim
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On 10/11/2013 12:11 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>
> Or are you saying that hospitals should leave the sick, injured, and
> dying on the doorstep if they don't have insurance?
>
The question isn't what hospitals should do, but what I would /force/
them to do.
Would I force a hospital to allocate resources to _preventive_ health,
knowing this would take resources from trauma care?
Would I force a hospital to treat a diabetic, knowing this would prevent
the purchase of a new breast-cancer-screening machine?
Would I force a hospital to hire a cancer specialist instead of a heart
specialist?
Would I force a hospital to provide helmets at a motorcycle rally if I
believed this would lower the necessity for expensive trauma care?
Would I force a hospital to build a mental-health wing instead of a
pediatric wing?
The only sane answer is that I would not force a hospital to do any of
these. I would let the hospital decide.
In the same way, I would not force my neighbor to buy a pacemaker for me
instead of an AED for you, even though either could save a life.
In the same way, I would not force my neighbor to buy a cell phone for
me instead of snow tires for you, even though either could save a life.
In the same way, I would not force my neighbor to buy a kick plate for
my door instead of an alarm for your door, even though either could save
a life.
I suppose the only non-selfish proposal is pacemakers, AEDs, cell
phones, snow tires, kick plates, and door alarms for everyone.
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On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 17:42:01 -0500, Shay wrote:
> The only sane answer is that I would not force a hospital to do any of
> these. I would let the hospital decide.
So, how would you fix the healthcare problems in the US?
Jim
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On 10/11/2013 6:14 AM, Shay wrote:
> On religion, Thomas Jefferson said, "It does me no injury for my
> neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my
> pocket nor breaks my leg.”
I have always thought that, while in principle the idea sounded good, it
implied the naive assumption that you neighbors neighbor didn't as well,
or their neighbor, or the next one, etc. One you get "outside" of your
own group, it not uncommon to find, in extreme cases, that someone, in
actual fact, wants to do both, and do so in the name of their god.
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On 10/11/2013 06:30 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 17:42:01 -0500, Shay wrote:
>
>> The only sane answer is that I would not force a hospital to do any of
>> these. I would let the hospital decide.
>
> So, how would you fix the healthcare problems in the US?
>
> Jim
>
A typical authoritarian question.
No debate of the merits, no concept of opportunity cost, no mention of
the /they/ that would administer "your" fixes. Just, "I've got this
magic wand here, gau-ran-teed to make things better. Why wouldn't I wave
it? And what could you come up with that's possibly better than a magic
wand?"
The real question is:
How would I _attempt_ to improve the US healthcare system
1. without killing the goose that produced all the medicines and
procedures we're so eager to universally provide?
2. while trying to keep the "powers that be" from using any new
authority I give them in corrupt ways?
The real answer is:
I would send a few bills to kidney-disease research. But that's not the
kind of answer you want, is it?
OK, my "magic wand" answer:
I'd improve health care by taking all the money away from the people who
are dropping bombs on other people.
I've given you two posts of reasons why these are the best answers I can
give you. Have a second look or continue to pointlessly attempt
ownership of compassion.
-Shay
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