Some of you may remember this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU

Ah, if only they had known about the Internet. Somebody has already 
completed the task:

http://guivbip.codeplex.com/

Now that's progress...

Post a reply to this message

On 7/2/2013 2:12 PM, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> Some of you may remember this:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU
>
> Ah, if only they had known about the Internet. Somebody has already
> completed the task:
>
> http://guivbip.codeplex.com/
>
> Now that's progress...
Snort.. The only thing I could think of with this insane BS was that 
"somehow" the killer was using one of those magic things that let you 
change your IP every 4 seconds, and yet, still have every DNS server on 
the planet know where the fuck you are. Since, well.. this just isn't 
possible, even that, vaguely sane, reason to need a way to track it 
doesn't make a lot of sense.

Hmm. If it was a laptop, and they where trying to, say, get a 
wardriver.. well, still not going to work, since most systems do NAT, to 
get where you are going, so your IP is going to change, every time you 
change WIFI access points, and not even IPV3 systems, so far as I know, 
trace back to your actual machine, instead of the router. And, if it 
did, you would have to be using something not set up with NAT, or be a 
complete idiot, and, besides which, it *still* can't tell you where the 
IP really is, just which poor saps router you are on, and, even then, 
unless you got the addresses of every single person paying for internet 
access, and somehow tracked the specific router IP, to every single one 
of those illegally obtained addresses.... lol

Still, there have been some times when I really, seriously, wish 
something like a, "magic universal DNS changer", did exist. Along with, 
say, the magical ability to film some preachers/politicians, doing the 
very things they claim, "Not passing a law to prevent chicken sex...", 
or some stupid thing they are scared someone else might be doing, will 
"end civilization as we know it!" Mind, just as a matter of curiosity, I 
would love to know how many are secretly gay, banging farm animals, 
household pets, or their own kids, then protesting that we need a bill 
to, "prevent incestuous sex with household pets, which where once farm 
animals." You just know, a large percentage of the nuts trying to pass 
this stuff just want everyone else to stop doing it, while doing it 
themselves.

And, frankly, given the latest, "Blowjobs for America" (Ur, sorry, 
that's "On our knees for America", its just... that picture they chose 
for the banner...) campaign, which followed the prior 2M4M campaign, and 
the even earlier, "Teabagging parties", the people making their 
commercials, and campaign slogans, have ***got to be*** doing some of 
the same things they are protesting. lol

So.. If you had it on film, and you could deliver it, with literally no 
way they could take it off the internet, short of killing the entire 
network.. Ah, to dream. ;)

On that note.. Their recent antics on the whole, "abortion, instead of 
jobs, or anything else", thing finally made me snap. This isn't nice, or 
safe, or appropriate, or even humane, but it sums up my macabre view of 
certain people, in my more disturbed moments:

http://kagehisrealm.com/Junk/bdtr_baby.png

Post a reply to this message

> IP really is, just which poor saps router you are on, and, even then,
> unless you got the addresses of every single person paying for internet
> access, and somehow tracked the specific router IP, to every single one
> of those illegally obtained addresses.... lol

Google probably has such a database. If I turn on wifi on my phone, even 
without connecting to any access point, then it suddenly knows which 
great accuracy where I am (far better than using phone signal 
triangulation alone). I imagine it gathers this data from people who 
have GPS turned on at the same time as wifi and then cross-references 
the two. Now it wouldn't be impossible for Google to also store the IP 
address (and MAC?) of the internet-side of the access point if you are 
connected to it.

Post a reply to this message

On 7/3/2013 12:43 AM, scott wrote:
>> IP really is, just which poor saps router you are on, and, even then,
>> unless you got the addresses of every single person paying for internet
>> access, and somehow tracked the specific router IP, to every single one
>> of those illegally obtained addresses.... lol
>
> Google probably has such a database. If I turn on wifi on my phone, even
> without connecting to any access point, then it suddenly knows which
> great accuracy where I am (far better than using phone signal
> triangulation alone). I imagine it gathers this data from people who
> have GPS turned on at the same time as wifi and then cross-references
> the two. Now it wouldn't be impossible for Google to also store the IP
> address (and MAC?) of the internet-side of the access point if you are
> connected to it.
Hmm. Interesting. But, still only works if the ID is being broadcast, so 
it "detectable", and other factors. So.. yeah, its still pretty absurd 
an idea.

Post a reply to this message

scott wrote:
> 
> Google probably has such a database. If I turn on wifi on my phone, even
> without connecting to any access point, then it suddenly knows which
> great accuracy where I am (far better than using phone signal
> triangulation alone). I imagine it gathers this data from people who
> have GPS turned on at the same time as wifi and then cross-references
> the two. Now it wouldn't be impossible for Google to also store the IP
> address (and MAC?) of the internet-side of the access point if you are
> connected to it.

A story also tells that Google was accidentally scanning the SSID's
while shooting photos for Google Maps, plotting the WLAN's and routers
on the map.

Post a reply to this message

> scott wrote:
>>
>> Google probably has such a database. If I turn on wifi on my phone, even
>> without connecting to any access point, then it suddenly knows which
>> great accuracy where I am (far better than using phone signal
>> triangulation alone). I imagine it gathers this data from people who
>> have GPS turned on at the same time as wifi and then cross-references
>> the two. Now it wouldn't be impossible for Google to also store the IP
>> address (and MAC?) of the internet-side of the access point if you are
>> connected to it.
>
> A story also tells that Google was accidentally scanning the SSID's
> while shooting photos for Google Maps, plotting the WLAN's and routers
> on the map.
>
Accidentally?

I think they the whole bottle on purpose.

-- 
/*Francois Labreque*/#local a=x+y;#local b=x+a;#local c=a+b;#macro P(F//
/*    flabreque    */L)polygon{5,F,F+z,L+z,L,F pigment{rgb 9}}#end union
/*        @        */{P(0,a)P(a,b)P(b,c)P(2*a,2*b)P(2*b,b+c)P(b+c,<2,3>)
/*   gmail.com     */}camera{orthographic location<6,1.25,-6>look_at a }

Post a reply to this message

>> A story also tells that Google was accidentally scanning the SSID's
>> while shooting photos for Google Maps, plotting the WLAN's and routers
>> on the map.
>>
> Accidentally?
>
> I think they the whole bottle on purpose.

Of course, that's probably where they have the database from! I don't 
think people were complaining about scanning and storing the SSID (or 
rather MAC), it was the fact that Google was saving all the packet data 
and not just extracting the MAC address. From a purely technical point 
of view saving all data is probably safest (to save having to drive 
around large parts of the country again if you discover a bug in your 
analysis code).

Post a reply to this message

Francois Labreque wrote:
>
> Accidentally?

Yep, the story sais accidentally. IIRC they commented something like "Oh
my, did we do so? That must have been an accident, we surely didn't mean
to".

> I think they the whole bottle on purpose.

But they want to be known as friendly, so it can't be possible that
they're doing something like that on purpose :P.

Post a reply to this message

> Francois Labreque wrote:
>>
>> Accidentally?
>
> Yep, the story sais accidentally. IIRC they commented something like "Oh
> my, did we do so? That must have been an accident, we surely didn't mean
> to".

So a car that drives around taking pictures also accidentally is 
listening on the 2.4GHz band.  That's plausible, if they're wifi-ing the 
images from the roof cameras to the computers in the trunk of the car.

And it's also accidentally recording all the SSIDs it finds.  That is 
explanable by the fact that they might be debugging their code as they 
go along, so they're also running a wifi-enabled packet sniffer at the 
same time.

And it's also accidentally recording the mac addresses associated with 
that SSID.  Still in the realm of possibly accidental.

And it's also associating the GPS coordinates where that SSID/Mac combo 
was seen.  Now we've moved into definite deliberate territory.

Speaking of Google Maps,
[Cool Story Bro]
I'm in the burgundy civic, behind the dump truck!

https://maps.google.com/?ll=45.562344,-73.776273&spn=0.001775,0.00327&t=m&z=19&layer=c&cbll=45.562258,-73.776526&panoid=R4l3vadp1A5GaaJblfilqA&cbp=12,23.81,,0,31.71

[/CSB]

-- 
/*Francois Labreque*/#local a=x+y;#local b=x+a;#local c=a+b;#macro P(F//
/*    flabreque    */L)polygon{5,F,F+z,L+z,L,F pigment{rgb 9}}#end union
/*        @        */{P(0,a)P(a,b)P(b,c)P(2*a,2*b)P(2*b,b+c)P(b+c,<2,3>)
/*   gmail.com     */}camera{orthographic location<6,1.25,-6>look_at a }

Post a reply to this message

> So a car that drives around taking pictures also accidentally is
> listening on the 2.4GHz band.  That's plausible, if they're wifi-ing the
> images from the roof cameras to the computers in the trunk of the car.
>
> And it's also accidentally recording all the SSIDs it finds.  That is
> explanable by the fact that they might be debugging their code as they
> go along, so they're also running a wifi-enabled packet sniffer at the
> same time.
>
> And it's also accidentally recording the mac addresses associated with
> that SSID.  Still in the realm of possibly accidental.
>
> And it's also associating the GPS coordinates where that SSID/Mac combo
> was seen.  Now we've moved into definite deliberate territory.

All the above is what the car was *meant* to do (it was well publicised 
and I never heard anyone have a problem with it), the bit that caused 
problems is the saving of *all* the other data from the wifi (especially 
a problem if the wifi is not encrypted).

Actually researching a bit further it turns out the code didn't even 
bother saving the encrypted packets. The below article has a good few 
links to Google blogs and announcements with details:

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/05/google-wifi-fcc-investigation/

Post a reply to this message