Le 2012-07-21 13:42, Le_Forgeron a écrit :
>
> What has JB ? short of a youth and some mega-corporations trying to push
> him ?
>
> Anyone remember the young kid Macaulay Culkin ? He was wise enough to
> make a pause.
>

Actually he grew up and lost his "cute kid" looks, so he stopped getting 
movie deals.


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On 7/21/2012 11:36, Warp wrote:
> If such an artist is very popular and sells well, how can you say he/she is
> mediocre? What's the justification?

If even the people who like him agree he's mediocre, doesn't that mean he's 
mediocre? If the people who are experts in such things say he's mediocre, 
but the financial end of the business pushes the advertising, can't he still 
be mediocre but popular?

It's like saying "why is this cabbage-patch doll (or pet rock) worth 50x the 
amount of money very similar dolls are? Doesn't that mean it's a superior doll?"

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Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> John VanSickle <evi### [at] kosherhotmailcom> wrote:
> > For the same reason that lots of people have hated every over-promoted
> > mediocrity.
>
> As for that, how exactly do you define mediocrity (when talking about a
> singer/musician)? How do you measure mediocrity?
>
> If such an artist is very popular and sells well, how can you say he/she is
> mediocre? What's the justification?

Is popularity a measure of quality? or sales?  In that case, games like
Assassin's Creed or Skyrim are really mediocre when compared to something like
Wii Fit, the interactive Jane Fonda fitness video which went on to sell 30+
million to people who don't dig traditional videogames.

The definition of mediocre is something ordinary, of medium value: it doesn't
kinda sucks, but isn't outstanding in any way.  We do tend to actually employ
mediocre to convey the idea of something that is beyond awful, which would be
the correct measure for something like JB, or Wii Fit to that matter. :)

Oustanding is something that is, simply put, awe-inspiring.  I can't imagine
anyone being awe-inspired by JB save for hormone-crazed girls.  And it sure is
not for his work, but for him.

So, you can say a mediocre artist is one which sells himself well enough not to
depend on his shitty work.  A great artist is one that disappears when his art
is shown:  like a musician doing a great solo.  Did JB ever did a great solo?
Nope, he's just a souless fabricated puppet...

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>> Anyone remember the young kid Macaulay Culkin ? He was wise enough to
>> make a pause.
>
> Actually he grew up and lost his "cute kid" looks, so he stopped getting
> movie deals.

Bad guy #1: GOT YA!
Macaulay: What! What are you doing?!
Bad guy #2: This is for My Girl!
Bad guy #1: And this is for My Girl Two!
Bad guy #2: And this is for My Girl Three!
Macaulay: But I wasn't even *in* My Girl Three!
Both: WE DON'T CARE!!

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On 21/07/2012 07:36 PM, Warp wrote:

> If such an artist is very popular and sells well, how can you say he/she is
> mediocre? What's the justification?

Billions of people went to see Star Wars Episode 1. So, in terms of 
sales, it was phenomenal.

Unfortunately, the vast majority of people apparently came away unhappy 
because the film was "mediocre"...

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Orchid Win7 v1 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> >> Anyone remember the young kid Macaulay Culkin ? He was wise enough to
> >> make a pause.
> >
> > Actually he grew up and lost his "cute kid" looks, so he stopped getting
> > movie deals.
>
> Bad guy #1: GOT YA!
> Macaulay: What! What are you doing?!
> Bad guy #2: This is for My Girl!
> Bad guy #1: And this is for My Girl Two!
> Bad guy #2: And this is for My Girl Three!
> Macaulay: But I wasn't even *in* My Girl Three!
> Both: WE DON'T CARE!!

Was he in _My Girl 2_?  I thought he got killed off in _My Girl_ 1.

Does anyone remember that movie where he played a teenage delinquent?  I suppose
that one won't be remembered in 100 years; I can't even remember the name of it!
 I just remember--from the trailer--that he grew his hair out for the part
because, as we all know, one's hair length is such a reliable predictor of
character. Only problem is, his mane was so pretty and well-trimmed that it
didn't give the impression of "bad guy rebel punk." That's just what I got from
the trailer, anyway.

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Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> John VanSickle <evi### [at] kosherhotmailcom> wrote:
> > Every YouTube video for a song over 20 years old has at least one
> > comment along the lines of, "We had such awesome music back then, now
> > all we've got is Justin Bieber."
>
>   Why do people hate him?

Because he's so much fun to hate! :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxvrZwpW_-M

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nemesis <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> The definition of mediocre is something ordinary, of medium value: it doesn't
> kinda sucks, but isn't outstanding in any way.

I still don't fully get it, but whatever.

As for "outstanding", JB certainly stands out in being one of the most hated
musicians alive today. If that's not outstanding, I don't know what is... :P

Why JB? There's probably not a single music video (with more than 10 views)
on youtube that doesn't have a reference to JB. (If it's a piece of music
considered good, someone will inevitably complain that why is JB so popular
and this isn't. If it's a really bad piece of music, someone will inevitably
use the old tired joke of "still better than JB" which has been seen about
a million times.)

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>>    Why do people hate him?
>
> Because he's so much fun to hate! :-)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxvrZwpW_-M

GAAAAAAH!! O_O

Holy cow, I should not have watched that...

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