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On 6/15/2012 5:11, Invisible wrote:
> Question: Has ANYBODY ever actually experienced any of these effects? Either
> from taking the drug or stopping it? Because *I* certainly haven't.
It's pretty easy to get a headache from skipping your caffine if you're used
to it, yes.
The point to remember is that caffine works by blocking the bits that emit
the stuff that turns off your brain. (A very technical explanation, yes.)
However, if you take it long enough, you wind up growing new emitters to
account for the inefficiency of the ones you already have, so basically your
body adjusts to it and after a few weeks you're operating at the same level
you normally would be operating at.
> At various times in my life, there have been times when I'm drinking several
> cups of strong tea every day, and there have been times when I go for months
> without drinking any tea at all. I have never noticed any measurable
> difference.
You don't, after a few weeks.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
"Oh no! We're out of code juice!"
"Don't panic. There's beans and filters
in the cabinet."
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 07:35:19 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>> Oh, I think you know what a headache is.
>
> Not from personal experience.
Sounds like further down, though, that 'ice pick' type thing is fairly
common. Just extend it for more than a few seconds.
>> Read a bunch of posts that could be answered with "GIYF" and then find
>> a brick wall to bang your head against.
>>
>> That'll surely cause one. ;)
>>
>>
> I would say that that would give you a sore head as opposed to the
> headaches that I have read about.
Well, I've had headaches that were like that, but migraines are quite
different, that's true. Every once in a while I get one where I see
white spots. Sometimes there is pain involved, sometimes not.
> Incidentally, I don’t get hangovers, either. And it is not that I don’t
> drink ;-)
That's handy. ;)
>> Yeah, some people do not react the same way - which is why with
>> nutrition guidelines, a lot of them make no sense at all, because
>> different people react differently to things.
>>
> If you don't like the guidelines just wait a couple of years and they
> are bound to change. :-)
Exactly. :)
>> Which is why I laugh when I see a new report that says, for example,
>> that "high fat diets might just be good for you" - they always miss the
>> "in moderation" part.
>>
>>
> My motto is moderation in everything including moderation.
Yup. :) Same here.
Jim
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 10:03:13 +0100, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> On 16/06/2012 06:08 AM, Tim Cook wrote:
>> On 2012-06-15 18:27, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> Yeah, some people do not react the same way - which is why with
>>> nutrition guidelines, a lot of them make no sense at all, because
>>> different people react differently to things.
>>
>> No, they make perfect sense, as long as you understand them in the
>> context that they're /guidelines/ for the statistical norm. Not a set
>> of hard and fast rules for absolutely everybody.
>
> Personally, I think the guideline amounts would be more useful if they
> gave you an ideal /range/ rather than just a single /point/. But who
> cares what I think...
I happen to agree with that.
Jim
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On 6/15/2012 11:35 PM, Stephen wrote:
> On 16/06/2012 12:27 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 19:41:25 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>>
>
>>> What’s a headache?
>>
>> Oh, I think you know what a headache is.
>
> Not from personal experience.
>
>> Read a bunch of posts that
>> could be answered with "GIYF" and then find a brick wall to bang your
>> head against.
>>
>> That'll surely cause one. ;)
>>
>
> I would say that that would give you a sore head as opposed to the
> headaches that I have read about. I seem to remember that I did have one
> when I was a child but that is a memory of a memory, now. Very
> occasionally, once every couple of years, I get an ice pick headache
> which lasts less than a second. I don’t think that really counts though
> as they don’t last long enough to have any debilitating effect.
> Incidentally, I don’t get hangovers, either. And it is not that I don’t
> drink ;-)
>
Read an interesting article that might kind of explain that, possibly.
Betting you don't experience "brain freeze" from cold drinks much
either? See, seems that, in some people, the vein that runs up the neck,
and into the brain, close to the spine, can try to "over protect". It
opens wider than normal, expanding enough that it triggers pain, in
order to increase blood flow, as a counter to what is assumed to be a
decrease in critical temperature. Caffeine, among other things, dilates
the blood vessels, I think? So, going off it, for some people, may
restrict blood flow, and again, you get an over-counter reaction.
Or, so the theory goes, based on watching the changes due to the brain
freeze effect, and noting a strong correlation between people that get
migraines, and their susceptibility to suffering that effect (i.e., they
get hit with it much faster, and much harder, when exposing themselves
to cold drinks). It kind of makes sense that other "spike in the head"
type headaches, short, or long term, are a result of this one blood
source overcompensating for an assumed threat. And, it makes sense that
some people's brains may recognize the overreaction, and curtail it,
much quicker than others.
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On 16/06/2012 10:50 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 07:35:19 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>
>>> Oh, I think you know what a headache is.
>>
>> Not from personal experience.
>
> Sounds like further down, though, that 'ice pick' type thing is fairly
> common. Just extend it for more than a few seconds.
>
It is quite difficult to reply to this without nit picking. (Won’t stop
me though.)
From my reading it is not very common, only 1 or 2 per cent of people
get them. The ones I get have almost no duration at all and are so
infrequent as to not be counted.
My understanding of common or garden headaches is that it feels like an
iron band around your head that is slowly tightening. Or that it is a
thumper where your head pounds with pain. These I don’t get.
My theory is that the headache I had as a child was so unpleasant that I
decided not to have any more.
>>> Read a bunch of posts that could be answered with "GIYF" and then find
>>> a brick wall to bang your head against.
>>>
>>> That'll surely cause one. ;)
>>>
>>>
>> I would say that that would give you a sore head as opposed to the
>> headaches that I have read about.
>
> Well, I've had headaches that were like that, but migraines are quite
> different, that's true. Every once in a while I get one where I see
> white spots. Sometimes there is pain involved, sometimes not.
>
I think that we are talking at cross purposes.
One of my brothers in law suffers badly from migraines and buys them
instead of hangovers. When the wine is in the sense is out etc.
I meant a pain in the head region is not necessarily a headache.
>> Incidentally, I don’t get hangovers, either. And it is not that I don’t
>> drink ;-)
>
> That's handy. ;)
>
It is and it isn’t. I don’t have the disincentive of hangovers to stop
me drinking too much.
--
Regards
Stephen
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On 17/06/2012 5:25 AM, Patrick Elliott wrote:
> Read an interesting article that might kind of explain that, possibly.
> Betting you don't experience "brain freeze" from cold drinks much
> either?
No, I've never even heard of it either.
> See, seems that, in some people, the vein that runs up the neck,
[snip]
> some people's brains may recognize the overreaction, and curtail it,
> much quicker than others.
Very interesting reading about it, in an academic sense.
I did get ice-cream toothache though.
--
Regards
Stephen
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On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:24:53 +0100, Stephen wrote:
> It is quite difficult to reply to this without nit picking. (Won’t stop
> me though.)
But of course. ;)
> From my reading it is not very common, only 1 or 2 per cent of people
> get them. The ones I get have almost no duration at all and are so
> infrequent as to not be counted.
But the pain is something you're familiar with. Just because it
approaches an average of zero over time.... ;)
> My understanding of common or garden headaches is that it feels like an
> iron band around your head that is slowly tightening. Or that it is a
> thumper where your head pounds with pain. These I don’t get.
I wouldn't know what an iron band around my head slowly tightening feels
like, but basically for me, there's a 'steady pain' and a 'thumping
pain'. What I've read about hangover headaches is that they're caused by
dehydration causing the brain to shrink slightly, and the pain is the
membrane attached to the skull being pulled (since the brain itself
doesn't feel pain at all).
> My theory is that the headache I had as a child was so unpleasant that I
> decided not to have any more.
You should teach that trick to the rest of us. ;)
>> Well, I've had headaches that were like that, but migraines are quite
>> different, that's true. Every once in a while I get one where I see
>> white spots. Sometimes there is pain involved, sometimes not.
>>
>>
> I think that we are talking at cross purposes.
I don't think so.
> One of my brothers in law suffers badly from migraines and buys them
> instead of hangovers. When the wine is in the sense is out etc.
Ken used to get them quite regularly as well - though he's found a change
in diet that has really helped a lot (not sure what it is, though).
> I meant a pain in the head region is not necessarily a headache.
Well, true.
>>> Incidentally, I don’t get hangovers, either. And it is not that I
>>> don’t drink ;-)
>>
>> That's handy. ;)
>>
>>
> It is and it isn’t. I don’t have the disincentive of hangovers to stop
> me drinking too much.
True....
Jim
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On 6/17/2012 2:24, Stephen wrote:
> One of my brothers in law suffers badly from migraines and buys them instead
> of hangovers. When the wine is in the sense is out etc.
FWIW, I figured out I'm alergic to sulfates. Try a bottle of un-sulfated
wine and see if you get the same effects.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
"Oh no! We're out of code juice!"
"Don't panic. There's beans and filters
in the cabinet."
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On 17/06/2012 10:25 PM, Darren New wrote:
> On 6/17/2012 2:24, Stephen wrote:
>> One of my brothers in law suffers badly from migraines and buys them
>> instead
>> of hangovers. When the wine is in the sense is out etc.
>
> FWIW, I figured out I'm alergic to sulfates. Try a bottle of un-sulfated
> wine and see if you get the same effects.
>
In my youth I used to like amphetamine sulphate but I don’t suppose
that’s the same thing.
I misquoted, the phrase is "When the wine is in the wit is out".
I just meant that when people start to drink their senses are dulled and
they drink more than is good for them.
--
Regards
Stephen
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Invisible <voi### [at] dev null> wrote:
> At various times in my life, there have been times when I'm drinking
> several cups of strong tea every day
tea is not coffee. Tea is leaves, coffee is beans.
> Alternatively, maybe I live in a /permanent/ sugar rush, I don't know...)
We may very well live in that state, yes. :)
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