On 6/6/2012 12:38 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> Interestingly, though, the user accounts are not associated with the
> hashes in what was leaked.

While true, it's not too improbable that the people who originally had 
the passwords may have more information than just what was in the leaked 
file.  Best to be safe IMHO.

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On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 12:42:40 -0700, Kevin Wampler wrote:

> On 6/6/2012 12:38 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Interestingly, though, the user accounts are not associated with the
>> hashes in what was leaked.
> 
> While true, it's not too improbable that the people who originally had
> the passwords may have more information than just what was in the leaked
> file.  Best to be safe IMHO.

Agreed, and a very good point.

Jim

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On 06/06/2012 08:11 PM, Kevin Wampler wrote:
> If you have a Linkedin account you should change you
> password ASAP

Even if I haven't used it for years?

BTW, does anybody know what the /point/ of Linked-In actually is? I 
mean, you upload a whole heap of data onto it and then... what? What 
useful purpose does it serve?

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On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 21:02:14 +0100, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:

> On 06/06/2012 08:11 PM, Kevin Wampler wrote:
>> If you have a Linkedin account you should change you password ASAP
> 
> Even if I haven't used it for years?
> 
> BTW, does anybody know what the /point/ of Linked-In actually is? I
> mean, you upload a whole heap of data onto it and then... what? What
> useful purpose does it serve?

It's helped me in my job search; the leads unfortunately didn't result in 
a full-time job, but yes, it's helpful.

Also good for keeping in touch with old coworkers and colleagues.

Jim

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On 06/06/2012 10:00 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> It's helped me in my job search; the leads unfortunately didn't result in
> a full-time job, but yes, it's helpful.
>

It has not really helped me looking for a job. But someone I worked with 
last year said that it is the up and coming thing for job searching. I 
can see it being a more dominant site as recruiters use it more.


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     Stephen

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On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 22:24:54 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On 06/06/2012 10:00 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> It's helped me in my job search; the leads unfortunately didn't result
>> in a full-time job, but yes, it's helpful.
>>
>>
> It has not really helped me looking for a job. But someone I worked with
> last year said that it is the up and coming thing for job searching. I
> can see it being a more dominant site as recruiters use it more.

Yeah, that's the other thing, having good data in it, it's being used 
more and more by recruiters to find candidates.

The funny thing is that while I had full-time employment, I would 
regularly get calls and requests from recruiters.

Now that I'm working for myself, that's dried up.

Jim

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>>> It's helped me in my job search; the leads unfortunately didn't result
>>> in a full-time job, but yes, it's helpful.
>>>
>> It has not really helped me looking for a job. But someone I worked with
>> last year said that it is the up and coming thing for job searching. I
>> can see it being a more dominant site as recruiters use it more.
>
> Yeah, that's the other thing, having good data in it, it's being used
> more and more by recruiters to find candidates.

Thing is, people were saying 10 years ago that it was a great resource 
for getting hired, and today, 10 years later, that still doesn't seem to 
be the case.

I rather suspect it's only useful for /certain kinds/ of hires. That 
certain kind presumably excludes me.

> The funny thing is that while I had full-time employment, I would
> regularly get calls and requests from recruiters.
>
> Now that I'm working for myself, that's dried up.

More like "if you don't access it at least twice per day, you disappear 
off the bottom of the search results".

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On Thu, 07 Jun 2012 08:56:40 +0100, Invisible wrote:

>>>> It's helped me in my job search; the leads unfortunately didn't
>>>> result in a full-time job, but yes, it's helpful.
>>>>
>>> It has not really helped me looking for a job. But someone I worked
>>> with last year said that it is the up and coming thing for job
>>> searching. I can see it being a more dominant site as recruiters use
>>> it more.
>>
>> Yeah, that's the other thing, having good data in it, it's being used
>> more and more by recruiters to find candidates.
> 
> Thing is, people were saying 10 years ago that it was a great resource
> for getting hired, and today, 10 years later, that still doesn't seem to
> be the case.

It's not a passive thing - you don't put your CV info up there and then 
just sit back and wait.

So, what active things have you done?

>> The funny thing is that while I had full-time employment, I would
>> regularly get calls and requests from recruiters.
>>
>> Now that I'm working for myself, that's dried up.
> 
> More like "if you don't access it at least twice per day, you disappear
> off the bottom of the search results".

Not at all.  I access LinkedIn quite regularly, and am a member of a 
number of groups related to the fields I'm interested in - and I 
occasionally participate in discussions in those groups.

Jim

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>> Thing is, people were saying 10 years ago that it was a great resource
>> for getting hired, and today, 10 years later, that still doesn't seem to
>> be the case.
>
> It's not a passive thing - you don't put your CV info up there and then
> just sit back and wait.
>
> So, what active things have you done?

Linked-In seems to have the same problem that all the early social 
networking sites had: Once you've filled out all the fields in your 
profile, there's nothing left to /do/.

The site is just a giant database of /stuff/. You can type in your 
stuff. You can query what stuff other people have typed in. And that's 
it. The site doesn't /do/ anything else. So once you've keyed in your 
data, there's basically no reason to ever visit it again. (Other than to 
bump your entry back to the top of the search page.)

>> More like "if you don't access it at least twice per day, you disappear
>> off the bottom of the search results".
>
> Not at all.  I access LinkedIn quite regularly, and am a member of a
> number of groups related to the fields I'm interested in - and I
> occasionally participate in discussions in those groups.

When I first created my profile, I used to get the occasional call from 
recruiters who claimed to have seen it. And after a month or so, it 
stopped. Presumably because profiles are listed in order of activity. 
(Which is an entirely reasonable way to list them, really...)

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On Thu, 07 Jun 2012 16:41:11 +0100, Invisible wrote:

>>> Thing is, people were saying 10 years ago that it was a great resource
>>> for getting hired, and today, 10 years later, that still doesn't seem
>>> to be the case.
>>
>> It's not a passive thing - you don't put your CV info up there and then
>> just sit back and wait.
>>
>> So, what active things have you done?
> 
> Linked-In seems to have the same problem that all the early social
> networking sites had: Once you've filled out all the fields in your
> profile, there's nothing left to /do/.

Yes, there is.  There are groups that host discussions.  There are job 
postings posted (and it even recommends "jobs you might be interested 
in".  I used that to find one position that I applied for and interviewed 
extensively for - even traveling out of state for an in-person interview.

> The site is just a giant database of /stuff/. You can type in your
> stuff. You can query what stuff other people have typed in. And that's
> it. The site doesn't /do/ anything else. So once you've keyed in your
> data, there's basically no reason to ever visit it again. (Other than to
> bump your entry back to the top of the search page.)

Actually, no, that's not the case.

>>> More like "if you don't access it at least twice per day, you
>>> disappear off the bottom of the search results".
>>
>> Not at all.  I access LinkedIn quite regularly, and am a member of a
>> number of groups related to the fields I'm interested in - and I
>> occasionally participate in discussions in those groups.
> 
> When I first created my profile, I used to get the occasional call from
> recruiters who claimed to have seen it. And after a month or so, it
> stopped. Presumably because profiles are listed in order of activity.
> (Which is an entirely reasonable way to list them, really...)

False assumption, unsupported by any amount of evidence.

It does help to keep your profile current.  Read some of the articles 
(you remember the discussion we had about using RSS to keep up on what's 
'hot' in tech?  Here's another source to use to filter the myriad of 
information out on the 'net and see what you should be aware of).  Join 
some groups, participate in some discussions.

Building a career isn't a passive activity.  It requires some effort.  If 
you don't update your profile with recent accomplishments and such, 
recruiters are going to look at it and say "yeah, this hasn't changed, so 
he's lost interest or isn't doing anything" and move on.

But listed in order of activity?  No, that's not really the case AFAICS.

Jim

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