Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Trying to set up my printer was necessarily difficult.

  What do you need a printer for?

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                                                          - Warp

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Am 22.02.2012 10:18, schrieb Invisible:

> If you buy some cheapo laptop USB soundcard, you could maybe understand
> the no-name manufacturers not bothering to provide modern drivers. But
> we're talking about a supposedly "pro audio" device from a big-name
> brand. You would think that for the exorbitant price I paid, it would
> damn well work. But, apparently, you would be wrong...

Yes. It's pro equipment, i.e. something for people who know well enough 
to not change a running production system.

For such customers, upgrading often means buying a brand new system, 
comprised of new computer hardware, new audio hardware, new OS, and new 
production software, in a combo that is reputed to work, from some 
people who give them a guarantee that the combo will work.

Such customers may also do partial upgrades, but in that case they'll 
also by that upgrade from - and have it installed by - people who give 
them a guarantee for the fitness of the resulting combo.

As a result, there is obviously less pressre on pro-equipment 
manufacturers to make their equipment more-or-less compatible with each 
and every OS version, hard- and software imaginable; a beneficial side 
effect is that they can concentrate on making it fully compatible and 
well-tested with a selection of reference systems.

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On 2/22/2012 2:18 AM, Invisible wrote:
> OK, so my shiny new PC has /finally/ been set up in my bedroom, rather
> than on the kitchen table. That means that at last I can plug in all my
> stuff.
>
> Trying to set up my printer was necessarily difficult. You would /think/
> I could just go to the HP website and download the necessary driver
> software. And you would be wrong. HP insists "you do not need a driver
> for this device; Windows already has one". So I have to manually run the
> printer wizard, and hunt through a list of several thousand printers,
> only to confirm that no, my printer is /not/ in the list. So then I have
> to click the Windows Update button, and wait 35 minutes for Windows to
> download a complete list of every printer ever manufactured by any
> company rich enough to pay Microsoft to host their driver. And /then/ I
> have to hunt through an even bigger driver list to find my printer.
> (Even though Windows has successfully detected the make and model of the
> printer already.)
>
> ...or HP could have just given me the right ****ing driver. :-P
>
> On top of that, once I've managed to guess which "port" the printer is
> on, and configured it, now the printer shows up twice. The new printer I
> just configured shows up as working, but the original "unknown device"
> still shows up. In the end, I had to delete the printer I just created,
> unplug the USB cable, and plug it back in again. Because the
> corresponding driver is now installed, the printer is auto-configured.
> Sheesh! God knows how I'd have managed to get all that to work if I
> didn't know anything about computers...
>
Snort. Got a similar problem. The "scanner" software for something Win7 
detected shows two versions. One doesn't work, and the other crashes, 
but *only* when using the companies own on-scanner button configuration 
thing, which Windows couldn't auto-install. Using someone else's 
application, and picking the correctly installed "version" of the device 
lets me copy direct to printer, but only at low resolutions. I haven't 
bothered to even try to fix the problem... Bloody stupid OS.

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On 22/02/2012 04:25 PM, Warp wrote:
> Invisible<voi### [at] devnull>  wrote:
>> Trying to set up my printer was necessarily difficult.
>
>    What do you need a printer for?

For... *gasp*... printing things?

Seriously. I actually use my printer for printing stuff. Unconventional, 
I know. But it's true.

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On 22/02/2012 11:17 PM, Patrick Elliott wrote:

> Snort. Got a similar problem. The "scanner" software for something Win7
> detected shows two versions. One doesn't work, and the other crashes,
> but *only* when using the companies own on-scanner button configuration
> thing, which Windows couldn't auto-install. Using someone else's
> application, and picking the correctly installed "version" of the device
> lets me copy direct to printer, but only at low resolutions. I haven't
> bothered to even try to fix the problem... Bloody stupid OS.

If a 3rd party driver won't install, I'm not so sure that's a problem 
with the OS.

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Am 23.02.2012 10:08, schrieb Invisible:
> On 22/02/2012 04:25 PM, Warp wrote:
>> Invisible<voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>>> Trying to set up my printer was necessarily difficult.
>>
>> What do you need a printer for?
>
> For... *gasp*... printing things?
>
> Seriously. I actually use my printer for printing stuff. Unconventional,
> I know. But it's true.

I guess that was an instance of Warp's Infamous Instant Humor(TM) - you 
know, the one that's so dry you need to add water (or an emoticon) 
before consumption.

Then again, you never know - the Finnish are a strange folk; maybe now, 
with the widespread use of flat displays, they prefer to copy their 
stuff right from the screen using tracing paper and pencil.

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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> On 22/02/2012 04:25 PM, Warp wrote:
> > Invisible<voi### [at] devnull>  wrote:
> >> Trying to set up my printer was necessarily difficult.
> >
> >    What do you need a printer for?

> For... *gasp*... printing things?

  Well, that's obvious, but not what I was asking.

  Your answer is like "do you have the time?" "yes".

  I don't see what someone would use a printer for. It just sounds so
obsolete nowadays, in the same way as floppy disks or RS-232 ports.

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                                                          - Warp

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On 23/02/2012 1:57 PM, Warp wrote:
>    I don't see what someone would use a printer for. It just sounds so
> obsolete nowadays, in the same way as floppy disks or RS-232 ports.

Well I use my printer when I need to send a letter. You know something 
that used to be made of velum and hand written.
I will also print out notes that I cannot be bothered to transfer to 
another device or hand write them.

At work, documents that need an old fashioned signature need to be printed.


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     Stephen

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Stephen <mcavoys_at@aoldotcom> wrote:
> Well I use my printer when I need to send a letter.

  That's what email has been for for the last 20 years.

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On 23/02/2012 3:01 PM, Warp wrote:
> Stephen<mcavoys_at@aoldotcom>  wrote:
>> Well I use my printer when I need to send a letter.
>
>    That's what email has been for for the last 20 years.
>

Longer than that, even. But sometimes snail mail is obligatory when 
dealing with banks and governmental offices.

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Regards
     Stephen

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