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On 03/02/2012 02:42 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Mar 2012 14:10:01 -0500, Warp wrote:
>
>> Jim Henderson<nos### [at] nospam com> wrote:
>>> I used to speed swim - never had a problem with inexpensive goggles
>>> leaking - but the problem that I did tend to have was that they fogged
>>> up. Even the anti-fogging ones would give me trouble.
>>
>> There's a lesser-known trick to help that: Before starting to swim,
>> spit on the inside of the goggles (and rub the spit on the inner
>> surface). It's not as gross as it sounds, and it helps surprisingly
>> well. In my experience you might still get a slight amount of fogging,
>> but considerably less.
>>
>> (I'm assuming human spit creates a protective "layer" that stops
>> fogging.)
>
> ISTR having tried that with limited success - but it does make sense.
certified diver (navy days) and it worked just fine for me ... matter of
fact that's what everyone else did as well
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Le 02/03/2012 21:56, James Holsenback nous fit lire :
>>>
>>> (I'm assuming human spit creates a protective "layer" that stops
>>> fogging.)
>>
>> ISTR having tried that with limited success - but it does make sense.
>
> certified diver (navy days) and it worked just fine for me ... matter of
> fact that's what everyone else did as well
Not a protective layer, just a wet liquid layer. Fog in goggle is opaque
because it's a distributed noise of liquid points over a dry surface.
Spitting will create a thick film that "glue" to the glass (work better
on glass than on plastic) and that film collects the points of fog.
Being dissolved in the thicker film, humidity does not become
diffracting/white.
Issue of spitting: goggle accumulate a lot of proteins which make the
goggle more opaque. You need to use a bit of dish-washing product with
clear water after usage to get ride of the proteins. (So, it's "spit
before, wash with tension-active after"; Washing with only clear water
is a failure)
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On 03/02/2012 04:36 PM, Le_Forgeron wrote:
> Le 02/03/2012 21:56, James Holsenback nous fit lire :
>>>>
>>>> (I'm assuming human spit creates a protective "layer" that stops
>>>> fogging.)
>>>
>>> ISTR having tried that with limited success - but it does make sense.
>>
>> certified diver (navy days) and it worked just fine for me ... matter of
>> fact that's what everyone else did as well
>
> Not a protective layer, just a wet liquid layer. Fog in goggle is opaque
> because it's a distributed noise of liquid points over a dry surface.
> Spitting will create a thick film that "glue" to the glass (work better
> on glass than on plastic) and that film collects the points of fog.
> Being dissolved in the thicker film, humidity does not become
> diffracting/white.
>
> Issue of spitting: goggle accumulate a lot of proteins which make the
> goggle more opaque. You need to use a bit of dish-washing product with
> clear water after usage to get ride of the proteins. (So, it's "spit
> before, wash with tension-active after"; Washing with only clear water
> is a failure)
well, salt water diving will rot your equipment, so yes washing with
something like dish-washing soap is a definite must ... on "The Hawk" we
used to just throw everything in this big tub and someone else did the
"dirty work"
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On Fri, 02 Mar 2012 15:56:11 -0500, James Holsenback wrote:
> On 03/02/2012 02:42 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Fri, 02 Mar 2012 14:10:01 -0500, Warp wrote:
>>
>>> Jim Henderson<nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>>>> I used to speed swim - never had a problem with inexpensive goggles
>>>> leaking - but the problem that I did tend to have was that they
>>>> fogged up. Even the anti-fogging ones would give me trouble.
>>>
>>> There's a lesser-known trick to help that: Before starting to swim,
>>> spit on the inside of the goggles (and rub the spit on the inner
>>> surface). It's not as gross as it sounds, and it helps surprisingly
>>> well. In my experience you might still get a slight amount of fogging,
>>> but considerably less.
>>>
>>> (I'm assuming human spit creates a protective "layer" that stops
>>> fogging.)
>>
>> ISTR having tried that with limited success - but it does make sense.
>
> certified diver (navy days) and it worked just fine for me ... matter of
> fact that's what everyone else did as well
Cool, good to know. :)
SCUBA is something I'd always wanted to try, but unfortunately I
perforated my eardrum when I was 14 (diving accident - off the board and
slapped the side of my head on the water - I was able to whistle through
my ear afterwards, but then the pain it...Oh, the pain was *awful*), and
never went any further with it. I'd done snorkeling a few times and
enjoyed that quite a lot.
Jim
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> On 02/03/2012 06:59 AM, Warp wrote:
>
>> How to learn to swim properly:
>>
>> 1) Buy swimming goggles. They are *essential*. Don't bother trying
>> without
>> them. (When you buy them, it's extremely important that you check that
>> they
>> are watertight and don't leak water when on. They should act like suction
>> cups.)
>
> In all the years that I've been alive on this Earth, I have never, ever,
> even once, found a pair of goggles that don't leak like a sieve. As far
> as I can tell, goggles just flat-out don't work. (Or maybe it's that
> only the incredibly expensive ones work, I don't know.) Every pair of
> goggles I've ever owned has been a total waste of money.
>
> Also: People who open their eyes underwater. OUCH! >_<
Opening your eyes underwater... I've never put my head under water with
my eyes closed. In a swiming pool, in a lake, at sea... all the same and
no problem and no pain at all.
Leting air out underwater, also a natural thing for me.
My only problem with swiming is that I float like a brick!
Alain
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Le 2012/03/02 05:27, Jim Henderson a écrit :
> On Fri, 02 Mar 2012 09:00:29 +0000, Invisible wrote:
>
>> On 02/03/2012 06:59 AM, Warp wrote:
>>
>>> How to learn to swim properly:
>>>
>>> 1) Buy swimming goggles. They are *essential*. Don't bother trying
>>> without them. (When you buy them, it's extremely important that you
>>> check that they are watertight and don't leak water when on. They
>>> should act like suction cups.)
>>
>> In all the years that I've been alive on this Earth, I have never, ever,
>> even once, found a pair of goggles that don't leak like a sieve. As far
>> as I can tell, goggles just flat-out don't work. (Or maybe it's that
>> only the incredibly expensive ones work, I don't know.) Every pair of
>> goggles I've ever owned has been a total waste of money.
>
> I used to speed swim - never had a problem with inexpensive goggles
> leaking - but the problem that I did tend to have was that they fogged
> up. Even the anti-fogging ones would give me trouble.
>
>> Also: People who open their eyes underwater. OUCH!>_<
>
> I'm with you on that. Especially chlorinated water. That just stings,
> and I never could get used to it.
>
> Jim
A very simple anti fogging tip:
Rub some saliva on the inside and do a quick rinse, put on and no fogging.
Alain
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On 3/1/2012 22:59, Warp wrote:
> Don't rush to other swimming styles. Breaststrokes are by far the
> easiest and most economical.
I disagree. Freestyle I find is much easier, because you can pause at any
stroke and just coast and breathe and float. With breaststroke, if you want
to stop, you have to actually stop swimming. I.e., you have to swim hard
enough to lift your face from the water with breaststroke.
For the "total immersion", you basically just have to get into a position in
the water where you're floating properly. You turn your head, and your face
is out of the water, and you can just glide like that until you stop. You
roll to the other side while drawing your arm back, and you go forward, and
coast to a stop with your face out of the water. Very relaxing if that's how
you want to swim.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
People tell me I am the counter-example.
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On 3/2/2012 2:27, Jim Henderson wrote:
> I'm with you on that. Especially chlorinated water. That just stings,
> and I never could get used to it.
Much worse is when your mask fills while you're doing SCUBA. It's not like
you can stop and rub the salt-water out of your eyes.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
People tell me I am the counter-example.
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On 3/2/2012 11:10, Warp wrote:
> (I'm assuming human spit creates a protective "layer" that stops
> fogging.)
It's a chemical in your saliva. It doesn't work with other fluids.
Baby oil works too, btw.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
People tell me I am the counter-example.
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On 3/2/2012 13:54, James Holsenback wrote:
> used to just throw everything in this big tub and someone else did the
> "dirty work"
I suspect that they didn't necessarily consider that part the "dirty work." :-)
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
People tell me I am the counter-example.
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