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On 10/18/2011 13:11, Warp wrote:
> A TV may not be the optimal platform for surfing the web because of
> several reasons. For one, surfing the web is most convenient with a mouse
> and keyboard, or a touchscreen. Surfing the web with a remote control is
> not very convenient, to say the least.
While true, it's also the case that I can use my phone to surf the web on
the TV, which is also cool. Especially since my phone has a real (almost)
keyboard on it. Or I can plug in a USB keyboard or bluetooth keyboard.
I wouldn't want to use it all the time, but if I wanted to show something on
a 46" screen, it's hard to beat it. :-)
> Also, a TV is usually far from the user. Even if it's a big TV and has
> a high resolution (ie. is a HD TV), it may still be difficult to read the
> smallest text in web pages. Usually devices used to surf the web (such as
> computers, laptops, tablets, cellphones) are held close for a reason.
Actually, I've found quite the opposite. Wait until you need reading glasses
to say a 46" screen six feet away is harder than a 21" screen two feet away. ;-)
> Thirdly, surfing the web requires a computer. A computer requires
> additional electricity (on top of what the display itself requires),
> which seems a waste, especially in the modern world economic situation,
> not to talk about the climate.
The TV already has a computer in it, to process the HDMI and all that other
stuff. And if you want to surf the web, then you need the screen *and* the
computer. And the screen could (if so designed) turn off the parts of the
computation devices that aren't being used for rendering when you're indeed
not using them. There's probably not much extra hardware involved if you
want the motion improvement, the play-from-a-USB-stick, the DLNA, etc. I
don't imagine they had to add more memory for webkit than they did for
youtube, for example.
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Le 2011-10-18 17:47, Darren New a écrit :
> Actually, I've found quite the opposite. Wait until you need reading
> glasses to say a 46" screen six feet away is harder than a 21" screen
> two feet away. ;-)
>
HD TV rule of thumb: Diagonal screen size X 3 = best viewing distance.
46" X 3 = 138"
138" / 6' X 1' / 12" = 1.91666666666667 times too close to the screen,
or as ym late mom would say "you're going to burn your eyes out!"
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On 10/18/2011 16:02, Francois Labreque wrote:
> Le 2011-10-18 17:47, Darren New a écrit :
>> Actually, I've found quite the opposite. Wait until you need reading
>> glasses to say a 46" screen six feet away is harder than a 21" screen
>> two feet away. ;-)
>>
>
> HD TV rule of thumb: Diagonal screen size X 3 = best viewing distance
.
Actually, some folks say 2x-3x or so, since the diagonal is longer compar
ed
to the size and the pixels are smaller. But of course it's the TV
manufacturers and salesmen telling you that.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html?ie=UTF8&docId=1000021501
It's actually closer to 8 feet for me, even counting the couch and such.
But
that wasn't really the point I was making. :-)
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And lo On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 17:09:54 +0100, Darren New <dne### [at] san rrcom>
did spake thusly:
> On 10/18/2011 5:13, Francois Labreque wrote:
>> Darren's 54" HD TV / portable phone / 18Mpixel DSLR camera / 5.1 surrond
>> sound system combo device, of course.
>
> 46" actually. The condo isn't that big.
>
> But yah, the new Sony Bravia. You turn it on, it bounces around a bit,
> says "Hey, I'm a 46" TV! I'm gonna go black now to finish configuration
> of the hardware..." It then reboots. Then it says "Hey, do the initial
> setup, including telling me your network settings and all." Then it
> says "Thanks for the configuration! Now I'm gonna reboot!" Then it
> comes back and says "Hey, there's new firmware, do you want it?"
> 10%...30%...100%... "I'm gonna reboot to install the firmware!"
Probably two operating systems - hardware and user interfacing; the latter
can read but not write to the hardware and so it needs to reboot to the
other OS to save things. A bit like the PS3 updates.
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On 10/19/2011 4:31, Phil Cook v2 wrote:
> Probably two operating systems - hardware and user interfacing; the latter
> can read but not write to the hardware and so it needs to reboot to the
> other OS to save things. A bit like the PS3 updates.
I was thinking that it was the same motherboard (for example) regardless of
the size of the screen, number of HDMIs, etc. So the easiest way to
configure is to have the start-up programs poll the hardware the first time,
configure things into flash, and then reboot to initialize everything.
For consumer electronics, there's often two boot partitions, and they get
updated in two separate steps of rebooting so if one fails, it still can
boot the other.
Interestingly enough, it turns out that when I turn on the TV, the screen
comes on within a couple of seconds, and the "select input" button (i.e.,
which HDMI port you're watching) goes active a couple seconds later, but if
you hit the menu key, the first 20 seconds it just says "Powering on, please
wait..." and then after that for another 20 or 30 seconds, you can watch the
menus getting populated one by one. The web browser is really slow (and
apparently not based on webkit, given the rendering flaws), so I wouldn't be
surprised if the whole UI is written in javascript.
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On 10/18/2011 12:12 PM, Darren New wrote:
> On 10/18/2011 7:27, Warp wrote:
>> Funny. I have no idea what you are talking about.
>
> Sorry. Sony TV. Had it been an actual computer or game system or
> something, it would have been par for the course. But a TV? :-)
>
> Oh, and it also has trouble responding promptly to user input for half a
> minute after you turn it on, with menus scrolling inconsistently and
> remote keystrokes getting queued.
>
> It's getting to the point where our consumer electronics is just as bad
> as our sophisticated and flexible computers.
>
Can't wait till the dish washer blue screens.....
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On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 09:12:44 -0700, Darren New wrote:
> It's getting to the point where our consumer electronics is just as bad
> as our sophisticated and flexible computers.
Indeed. Remember when you used to just be able to pick up a telephone
and get a dial tone? ;)
Jim
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On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 14:47:41 -0700, Darren New wrote:
>> Also, a TV is usually far from the user. Even if it's a big TV and
>> has
>> a high resolution (ie. is a HD TV), it may still be difficult to read
>> the smallest text in web pages. Usually devices used to surf the web
>> (such as computers, laptops, tablets, cellphones) are held close for a
>> reason.
>
> Actually, I've found quite the opposite. Wait until you need reading
> glasses to say a 46" screen six feet away is harder than a 21" screen
> two feet away. ;-)
Indeed, on our 8' screen, using the PS3 to surf isn't too bad and is
pretty easy to read. Though I wish Sony would update the web browser
(esp. flash) on the PS3, because many sites just won't render flash on it.
Jim
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>> It's getting to the point where our consumer electronics is just as bad
>> as our sophisticated and flexible computers.
>
> Can't wait till the dish washer blue screens.....
Our dish washer got to the point where every time you made it wash
something, it just said "ER99" and wouldn't do anything until you reboot it.
No, I'm not kidding.
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On 10/19/2011 11:56, Jim Henderson wrote:
> (esp. flash) on the PS3, because many sites just won't render flash on it.
I found it especially amusing that I had a gaming console hooked up to a
five-foot-wide TV, and the PS3 insisted on watching only the 240-pixel
resolution videos on youtube.
Fortunately, the new TV actually shows HD if possible.
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