Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> On 02/11/2011 03:22 PM, Warp wrote:

> >    I can't understand where you are getting this notion that driving with
> > your headlights on makes you look like a fool.

> I can't understand where everybody else gets the idea that using 
> something wrong does *not* make you look like a fool... I suppose you're 
> going to tell me that using your wipers when it isn't raining is a good 
> idea too? Maybe we should make it so those don't ever turn off. :-P

> Fortunately, in my country at least, driving with your fog lights on 
> when it isn't foggy is still illegal...

  What do you need brake lights for? Especially, what do you need a third
brake light for? What do you need turn signals for? Using those just makes
you look foolish. It's not like they are signals for other drivers to more
easily see what you are doing. They should be more attentive. It's their
fault if they misinterpret your actions because you don't give them any
visual clues.

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On 11/02/2011 11:32 AM, Invisible wrote:
> On 02/11/2011 03:22 PM, Warp wrote:
>
>> I can't understand where you are getting this notion that driving with
>> your headlights on makes you look like a fool.
>
> I can't understand where everybody else gets the idea that using
> something wrong does *not* make you look like a fool... I suppose you're
> going to tell me that using your wipers when it isn't raining is a good
> idea too? Maybe we should make it so those don't ever turn off. :-P
>
> Fortunately, in my country at least, driving with your fog lights on
> when it isn't foggy is still illegal...

hmmm ... for years when riding a motorcycle (in the US) it's been 
mandatory (if not automatic) to have headlights on. Couldn't 
specifically site a study or statistics to back this up, but I believe 
it's for reasons of visibility ... hey trust me people don't always see 
motorcycles so it makes sense that you'd what to do anything you can to 
increase your profile (as it were) so as to not wind up in a ditch 
somewhere. I really think the same thing applies to cars as well ... 
ever notice that most semi-trucks always run with lights on regardless 
of conditions.

I think the way that you're looking at this is akin to saying .. I never 
wear my seat belts ... never been in an accident, so why bother buckling 
up. You argument isn't holding much weight. (IMHO) ;-)

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On 02/11/2011 03:48 PM, Warp wrote:

>    What do you need brake lights for? Especially, what do you need a third
> brake light for? What do you need turn signals for? Using those just makes
> you look foolish. It's not like they are signals for other drivers to more
> easily see what you are doing. They should be more attentive. It's their
> fault if they misinterpret your actions because you don't give them any
> visual clues.

If you could actually see headlights in normal daylight conditions, this 
would be a valid argument. But since usually you can't...

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On 02/11/2011 4:35 PM, Invisible wrote:
> On 02/11/2011 03:48 PM, Warp wrote:
>
>> What do you need brake lights for? Especially, what do you need a third
>> brake light for? What do you need turn signals for? Using those just
>> makes
>> you look foolish. It's not like they are signals for other drivers to
>> more
>> easily see what you are doing. They should be more attentive. It's their
>> fault if they misinterpret your actions because you don't give them any
>> visual clues.
>
> If you could actually see headlights in normal daylight conditions, this
> would be a valid argument. But since usually you can't...

Maybe it is time you got your eyes tested.
And how do you know that people are driving around with their headlights 
on in daytime if you can't see them?

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     Stephen

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On Wed, 02 Nov 2011 16:35:37 +0000, Invisible wrote:

> On 02/11/2011 03:48 PM, Warp wrote:
> 
>>    What do you need brake lights for? Especially, what do you need a
>>    third
>> brake light for? What do you need turn signals for? Using those just
>> makes you look foolish. It's not like they are signals for other
>> drivers to more easily see what you are doing. They should be more
>> attentive. It's their fault if they misinterpret your actions because
>> you don't give them any visual clues.
> 
> If you could actually see headlights in normal daylight conditions, this
> would be a valid argument. But since usually you can't...

*I* certainly can see them in normal daylight conditions.

Maybe you should get your eyes checked - if you can't tell the difference 
between a light that's on and a light that's off in "normal daylight 
conditions".

Jim

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> On 02/11/2011 03:48 PM, Warp wrote:
>
>> What do you need brake lights for? Especially, what do you need a third
>> brake light for? What do you need turn signals for? Using those just
>> makes
>> you look foolish. It's not like they are signals for other drivers to
>> more
>> easily see what you are doing. They should be more attentive. It's their
>> fault if they misinterpret your actions because you don't give them any
>> visual clues.
>
> If you could actually see headlights in normal daylight conditions, this
> would be a valid argument. But since usually you can't...

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On 11/2/2011 9:35, Invisible wrote:
> If you could actually see headlights in normal daylight conditions, this
> would be a valid argument.

How does it make you look like a fool to have your lights on if nobody can 
see that you have your lights on?

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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Nov 2011 16:35:37 +0000, Invisible wrote:
> > If you could actually see headlights in normal daylight conditions, this
> > would be a valid argument. But since usually you can't...

> *I* certainly can see them in normal daylight conditions.

  Especially since headlights are significantly brighter than brake lights
and turn signals, yet you don't have any trouble seeing those.

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On 2-11-2011 15:55, Invisible wrote:
>>>> Um, no, at least here in the US, cars manufactured in the last 10 years
>>>> or so have headlights that automatically come on when you start the
>>>> engine.
>>>
>>> Fortunately, such stupidity hasn't yet reached this country...
>>
>> Why would it be stupid?
>
> Let me put it another way: We could insist that all persons ear crash
> helmets at all times. That way, if a building collapses on you, you're
> already wearing a crash helmet. Or if you've outside and somebody drops
> something, you're already protected. Or if a car hits you, the helmet is
> going to lessen the injuries to your skull. (Shame about the rest of you.)
>
> Fortunately, nobody thinks this is a good idea. Whilst it does decrease
> your risk of injury, that risk is utterly tiny to start with. And a
> crash helmet doesn't even remove that risk, only reduce it a bit.
>
> Unfortunately, apparently somebody does think that having your lights
> permanently hard-wired in the on-position is a good idea. You may argue
> that there's no "harm" to doing this, so why not? Which is true, but you
> still look as much of a fool as a guy wandering around town wearing a
> crash helmet...

I don't want to interfere in this utterly relevant discussion. It just 
crossed my mind that when I was in Seoul (or was it Hong Kong?) all cars 
had a mirror on the back window to see what was on the ground just 
behind the car (apparently that is called a 'rear under view mirror'). 
Some were nicely integrated, some were obviously added later. I can only 
assume the law was recently chanced there.

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On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 12:51:23 +0000, Invisible wrote:
> Generally the only people who drive around in daylight with their 
> headlights on are people with expensive cars who turn their lights on to 
> let you know that they're important and you should get out of their way. 
> In other words, arrogant morons with lots of money. Obviously, nobody 
> wants to be mistaken for those guys...

Sometimes I flash my lights at people who drive with lights _out_ at
daytime, especially when it is no longer the brightest part of day (or year).

I find it easier to see cars, and especially the fact whether they're parked
or not (if not otherwise moving or if they're so far that it's not easy to
tell) when they have lights on. In Finland, most people drive with lights,
so the brain is wired to interpret a car with lights on as a normal car
that participates in traffic and a car with lights out as a car that does
not belong in traffic. An exception to that makes for an inconvenience.

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