On 10/11/2011 13:02, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> So Microsoft has secretly implemented an undocumented system to allow any
> unauthenticated Internet node to bypass all security restrictions and access
> any port on a Windows PC?

You mean the "secret" IPv6 standard documentation on how to do this tunneling?

> (Although I still don't quite get how it can bypass a firewall that doesn't
> allow inbound traffic. Still, Wikipedia says it does, so it must be true.)

The same way IPv4 ssh does. It tunnels out first.  It's not like anyone can 
connect to your machine that you don't know about, any more than returning 
IP packets from a TCP connection "bypass" your firewall.

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On 11/10/2011 09:12 PM, Darren New wrote:

> Lots of laptops come with crapware "device drivers" that try to do what
> Microsoft's drivers already do just fine.

Yeah, why is that exactly?

Not that this is limited to *laptops*, unfortunately...

>> OK. I can't change window [because the task bar isn't working, and
>> Alt+Tab
>> isn't working], I can't open Task Manager to see what's happening, I
>> can't
>> lock or unlock the screen [Ctrl+Alt+Del doesn't do anything]. But
>> sure, if I
>> happen to have an application open, maybe it stays running. [I haven't
>> ever
>> tested that.]
>
> I have never had any of the problems you're describing, nor do I know
> anyone else who has. Not since Win98, at least. Maybe you should look in
> your event manager and see what's happening.

IME, the event logs are often maddeningly silent when an actual problem 
happens and you dearly want to know why.

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On 10/11/2011 13:16, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> On 11/10/2011 09:12 PM, Darren New wrote:
>
>> Lots of laptops come with crapware "device drivers" that try to do what
>> Microsoft's drivers already do just fine.
>
> Yeah, why is that exactly?

I have no idea. Other than getting their logo in your face. There's an awful 
lot of stuff that sticks itself in the notification tray that doesn't need 
to be notifying you.

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On 10/11/2011 8:45 AM, Invisible wrote:
> On 11/10/2011 04:38 PM, Mike Raiford wrote:
>> On 10/6/2011 3:01 AM, Invisible wrote:
>>>>> What worries me is the possibility of a theory not being taken
>>>>> seriously
>>>>> because nobody likes it, rather than because the theory doesn't
>>>>> work...
>>>>
>>>> That has happened before, and it will happen again.
>>>
>>> Any concrete examples?
>>>
>>> Every example I know of where a theory wasn't believed because it seemed
>>> too silly, eventually facts won out.
>>
>> Creationists vs Evolution?
>
> Not really, no.
>
> The entire scientific community unanimously agrees that creationism is
> nonsense. It's the general public that fall for that one.

Even most of the general public doesn't, just a, sadly, large segment, 
who don't know what it says, so can't tell the difference between the 
real thing, and the gibberish an even smaller number of nuts, 
theologians, and con artists, says it is.

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On 10/11/2011 12:58 PM, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> On 11/10/2011 08:41 PM, Darren New wrote:
>> On 10/11/2011 12:10, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> I suppose Windows also doesn't stop responding when you change your
>>> TCP/IP
>>> configuration settings?
>>
>> Um, no?
>>
>>> (Actually, that one seems to vary. On some
>>> computers, you change it and it doesn't even blink. On others, you
>>> change it
>>> and have to sit there for multiple minutes before it wakes up again...)
>>
>> Maybe your DHCP server is hosed up or something?
>
> It seems to be more common with laptops, so maybe it's related to Wi-Fi
> or something... Or maybe I'm imaginig that part.
>
>>> Since Explorer is 90% of the Windows GUI, that's not a particularly
>>> drastic difference...
>>
>> Only if you don't interact with actual programs. Saying "the GUI locks
>> up" on Linux, for example, means every program stops responding because
>> you just crashed the X server.
>
> OK. I can't change window [because the task bar isn't working, and
> Alt+Tab isn't working], I can't open Task Manager to see what's
> happening, I can't lock or unlock the screen [Ctrl+Alt+Del doesn't do
> anything]. But sure, if I happen to have an application open, maybe it
> stays running. [I haven't ever tested that.]
>
This is actually possibly the case. I have had "other" things cause a 
similar result. Generally, they peg some process, or memory handling, or 
something to max, and only lock the application *causing it*. The 
problem of course being, if you are in the application that created the 
problem, the whole thing seems to stop bloody working, and you can't get 
out of it, to do anything else, including ctrl-alt-del.

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On 10/11/2011 12:01 PM, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> a product that you already have lying around and try to sell it to a
>>> completely different audience...
>>
>> You'll notice that Blender is free, right?
>
> Sure. That doesn't mean it's well designed. ;-)
>
Often, if its like the first 10... or so versions after the "in house" 
version, its pretty much a given that it *won't be* well designed. 
Though, as the poor bastard that has to figure it out, and doesn't have 
the original company to "help them" do that, design isn't necessarily 
the problem so much as an inordinate need to know what drugs they where 
taking when they wrote it, so you can inform the local equivalent of the 
ATF, so they can keep an eye out for it on the streets.

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On 10/11/2011 12:17 PM, andrel wrote:
> On 11-10-2011 21:08, Darren New wrote:
>
>> It also means it isn't being sold to a different audience than it was
>> built for.
>>
>
> Missed most of the communication on Blender (lack of time forces me to
> stop reading deep down levels of long communications).
> Just dropping in here that Blender is very useable, provided that you
> work with it for some time. Unlike perhaps other software where the
> learning curve is shallower but much longer.
>
> I have two students now to create some models, one mainly using Blender
> and one Maya. We will be playing around for one month and then decide
> which one we are going to use for the rest of their internship. It is
> not a clear cut win for Maya so far.
>
>
In my case, I need something to "build with". All the other crap, 
including the "paint on the mesh", is well.. either a distraction, or no 
where near as close to "full" as I could get just mangling an image in 
Photoshop, and trying to "fit" that to the UV of the object (not that 
doing that is all that easy, if the mess, even unwrapped, is stupid 
complicated). So.. I have something hard to learn, with 50 times the 
features I need, and the ones it "does" have, are incomplete, in strange 
places, or... well, not quite what I am looking for.

The sad thing is, since Linden Labs picked, for some strange reason, 
Collada as its import mesh type, its also the only one that supports it 
"natively", with having to convert. So, even if I had Rhino, I would 
have to export from the "native" 3DM, to like OBJ, then, if Blender 
supports that, maybe export to the right one, or, if not, load it into 
something that exports to something Blender can use, or which the 
Collada converter they suggest can convert "from", to the correct one. 
All with my fingers crossed, that the result won't be a disaster.

I have been through this before, with POVRay, and 50 different formats, 
no two of which where supported by every application, and some of which 
where supported (and still are) by *none* of them. Like, a few mesh 
formats where the last known converter was from the days when Raytracing 
Worlds was published...

All I want is something to build meshes in, and has as many bloody ways 
to do that as possible, without all the other stuff getting in the way. 
Apparently, I am on the wrong planet to find that. lol

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Le 11/10/2011 21:31, Orchid XP v8 a écrit :
> On 11/10/2011 08:21 PM, andrel wrote:
>> On 11-10-2011 21:15, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>>>> Uh, what's a serial terminal? Also, what's a kernel debugger?
>>>>
>>>> you are showing your age.
>>>
>>> Well, yes... I thought it was common knowledge? :-}
>>
>> Too young to have met with a VT100 and too old to have met Google.
> 
> I was under the general impression that the VT100 was "expensive".
> Although I'm not sure exactly where I got that impression from. But
> anyway, rather too expensive for anybody to just have one laying around
> in their house...
> 
VT100 was/is a CRT terminal, usually monochrome (either green or amber
display). As any CRT, it was expansive to manufacture.
It also had a keyboard (no mouse, you pervert) and a dedicated firmware
to handle a serial line (the 25 copper-line connector one) as DTE.

The serial line could be long enough to cross a few room.

Coupled with a relevant concentrator/server at the other end of the
serial line, you could ends up having multiple sessions at once on the
VT100, toggling between session with a set of keypress.

Display is 80x24 characters, usually ascii only. (or was it 80x25 ?)
Underline & Bold are possible, as well as inverse video, but not italic,
IIRC. It could also be able to flash (alternating video).

The expensive part is not the VT100, it was the computer you would
attach it to. No point in having a VT100 in everyhouse at that time.

The computing power of VT100 is nearly none, when Compared to
intelligent terminal such as IBM 3270.

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around.

Just because you can't see it, it doesn't weigh anything,
and you can't drill a hole in it and stick a rivet into it doesn't mean
it's free.

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>> I was under the general impression that the VT100 was "expensive".
>>
> VT100 was/is a CRT terminal, usually monochrome (either green or amber
> display). As any CRT, it was expansive to manufacture.
> It also had a keyboard (no mouse, you pervert) and a dedicated firmware
> to handle a serial line (the 25 copper-line connector one) as DTE.
>
> The serial line could be long enough to cross a few room.
>
> Coupled with a relevant concentrator/server at the other end of the
> serial line, you could ends up having multiple sessions at once on the
> VT100, toggling between session with a set of keypress.
>
> Display is 80x24 characters, usually ascii only. (or was it 80x25 ?)
> Underline&  Bold are possible, as well as inverse video, but not italic,
> IIRC. It could also be able to flash (alternating video).
>
> The expensive part is not the VT100, it was the computer you would
> attach it to. No point in having a VT100 in everyhouse at that time.
>
> The computing power of VT100 is nearly none, when Compared to
> intelligent terminal such as IBM 3270.

OK. So... this discussion started because it was pointed out that the 
Amiga flashes the power light to warn you to press DEL on your serial 
terminal to start the kernel debugger. Now given that the Amiga is a 
home computer, how many homes have a VT100 just laying around?

Well, I guess a home user isn't going to be trying to run a kernel 
debugger anyway. But how many business in the 1990s had a VT100 laying 
around?

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On 11/10/2011 08:17 PM, andrel wrote:

> Missed most of the communication on Blender (lack of time forces me to
> stop reading deep down levels of long communications).
> Just dropping in here that Blender is very useable, provided that you
> work with it for some time.

I gather Blender was originally impossible to work, and they've now 
spent time on improving that. I don't think I've ever tried to use 
Blender personally (but I may be wrong about that...)

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