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On 30/08/2011 02:52 PM, Warp wrote:
> Invisible<voi### [at] dev null> wrote:
>> (Unless you enjoy playing and replaying the same 2 screens of action a
>> billion times until you manage to get it right.
>
> The thought hasn't crossed your mind that you might be doing it wrong?
>
> The game is quite easy once you discover the solutions.
That's my point. I've read a complete list of all the solutions, and I
*still* can't solve it. Even though I know what the solutions are meant
to be! It doesn't get much harder than that...
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> On 30/08/2011 02:52 PM, Warp wrote:
> > Invisible<voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> >> (Unless you enjoy playing and replaying the same 2 screens of action a
> >> billion times until you manage to get it right.
> >
> > The thought hasn't crossed your mind that you might be doing it wrong?
> >
> > The game is quite easy once you discover the solutions.
> That's my point. I've read a complete list of all the solutions, and I
> *still* can't solve it. Even though I know what the solutions are meant
> to be! It doesn't get much harder than that...
I must admit I don't understand you at all.
If you
a) need to look for solutions to the puzzles in a casual game (which I could
perhaps understand from someone who never plays anything, but not from a
computer nerd who plays a lot of games), and
b) still find it hard to solve them even with the solutions,
I think there's something horribly wrong here.
I'm beginning to think that you are actually two different people. One is
a computer nerd, the other knows how to turn a computer on and off, and
little else.
--
- Warp
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>> That's my point. I've read a complete list of all the solutions, and I
>> *still* can't solve it. Even though I know what the solutions are meant
>> to be! It doesn't get much harder than that...
>
> I must admit I don't understand you at all.
>
> If you
>
> a) need to look for solutions to the puzzles in a casual game (which I could
> perhaps understand from someone who never plays anything, but not from a
> computer nerd who plays a lot of games), and
>
> b) still find it hard to solve them even with the solutions,
>
> I think there's something horribly wrong here.
>
> I'm beginning to think that you are actually two different people. One is
> a computer nerd, the other knows how to turn a computer on and off, and
> little else.
Like I said, the solution to one of the puzzles requires you to it
something in mid-air. Not only that, but you have to jump off at exactly
the right moment, in exactly the right direction, *before* the thing
you're trying to hit even appears on screen. And when (not if) you miss,
you have to spend another 30 seconds setting the whole thing up again
before you can retry.
I fail to see how *knowing* that that's what you have to do makes it any
easier to *do* it.
It's like the jumping puzzles in any other game. You might *know* that
you have to jump from A to J to F in that order. But that doesn't make
it any easier at all to actually *hit* the targets.
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On 8/30/2011 7:01, Warp wrote:
> I think there's something horribly wrong here.
My brother spent hours trying to get thru one of the Portal levels that had
a pretty obvious solution. Turns out he was trying to do it with a track
pad. Second try with an actual mouse and he was done. :-)
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
How come I never get only one kudo?
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> My brother spent hours trying to get thru one of the Portal levels that had
> a pretty obvious solution. Turns out he was trying to do it with a track
> pad. Second try with an actual mouse and he was done. :-)
Trackpads and first-person shooters mix even worse than gamepads and
first-person shooters... :P
--
- Warp
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On 8/30/2011 2:02, Invisible wrote:
> (Why it has to install
> the .NET framework and the DirectX 9 runtime I don't know, but anyway...)
The installer is what checks to see if it's already installed. There are
bunches of moving parts and extra libraries for DX9, for example, and the
installer makes sure you're at least as up to date as the game. If it's
already installed, the installer makes no changes for these products.
> Nowhere does anything really explain how the
> game works; you just have to sort of /guess/.
There's whole genres of games where that's the point of the game. You've
just discovered one. This is kind of what an adventure game is, except
there you use your real-world knowledge to guide your guesses.
Indeed, I even saw write-ups of board game systems where the goal is to
figure out the rules and strategies of the game faster than the AI does. :-)
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
How come I never get only one kudo?
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On 30/08/2011 05:27 PM, Warp wrote:
> Darren New<dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>> My brother spent hours trying to get thru one of the Portal levels that had
>> a pretty obvious solution. Turns out he was trying to do it with a track
>> pad. Second try with an actual mouse and he was done. :-)
>
> Trackpads and first-person shooters mix even worse than gamepads and
> first-person shooters... :P
I tried playing COD4 on a PS3. My God, how does anybody ever complete
that game?! >_<
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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>> Nowhere does anything really explain how the
>> game works; you just have to sort of /guess/.
>
> There's whole genres of games where that's the point of the game. You've
> just discovered one. This is kind of what an adventure game is, except
> there you use your real-world knowledge to guide your guesses.
Adventure games, maybe. But puzzlers? Man! That would be like saying
"I'm so meta, even this acronym"...
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 18:59:18 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> On 30/08/2011 05:27 PM, Warp wrote:
>> Darren New<dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>>> My brother spent hours trying to get thru one of the Portal levels
>>> that had a pretty obvious solution. Turns out he was trying to do it
>>> with a track pad. Second try with an actual mouse and he was done. :-)
>>
>> Trackpads and first-person shooters mix even worse than gamepads and
>> first-person shooters... :P
>
> I tried playing COD4 on a PS3. My God, how does anybody ever complete
> that game?! >_<
Heck, I'm trying to figure out how anyone plays Modern Warfare 2 - to
completion or not - on the PS3. Our copy just locks up after the first
mission - completely repeatable, and apparently it's not an uncommon
problem.
Jim
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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> I tried playing COD4 on a PS3. My God, how does anybody ever complete
> that game?! >_<
It becomes slightly easier with lots of practice, but it never becomes
as fluent and easy as with a mouse.
Console versions of FPS games often include features that make it a bit
easier (such as slight auto-aiming when the aim was close enough), for the
sole reason that the gamepad makes it more difficult to play.
--
- Warp
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