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On 13/07/2011 06:41 PM, nemesis wrote:
> Invisible escreveu:
>>> Take the lyrics of almost any song, remove the music and you get a poem.
>>
>> Yes. And typically not a very good one.
>
> precisely, yes. Lyrics is typically a bad poem relying on bad music and
> sugared chorus to try to make any impact at all.
We're not bitter here. :-P
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On 14/07/2011 04:06 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> My perception is a bit colored, though, because I was required to play
> "Memory" from _Cats_ in orchestra several years, and the simplified
> version grated on me (and made me dislike the song and the composer .
> Then to hear bits of things like "Jesus Christ Superstar" and "Joseph and
> the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat" - *those* definitely are puke-inducing
> for me and fit my earlier description.
Memory is one of my least favourite songs from Cats. There are many
others in there which are much more enjoyable. Now if only I could
somehow obtain the score from somewhere...
I disliked Jesus Christ Superstar, but I really like Joseph and the
Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat. I've never seen an official production,
but my sister's school put on a performance. I'm really impressed with
how well the student orchestra managed to perform it. (With the possible
exception of the drummer, who didn't put out an especially steady beat.)
There was one girl in the school who honestly sang like a pro.
(I'm also impressed that a mere school would have a hall this huge, and
such professional facilities. Then again, maybe that's just because I
went to a tiny under-funded school myself where everything was always
crappy...)
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On 14/07/2011 12:13 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> What's so incomprehensible about it? ALW's music has no redeeming
> musical qualities that I've ever heard, basically a sort of feel-good-pop-
> crap musical style.
>
> Even hearing the name triggers my gag reflex.
Some people actually *like* feel-good music. Shockingly enough.
I will freely admit though, Starlight Express was surprisingly lame.
(And I don't mean just the music.)
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Darren New <dne### [at] san rrcom> wrote:
> On 7/13/2011 9:31, Darren New wrote:
> > I don't think it's keyboards as much as it is collation by computers.
> Kind of related, but think about how Chinese dictionaries get sorted, given
> that each word is one character and there are tens of thousands of
> characters in the language, since Andrew brought up chinese to start with.
After seeing a (Japanese) phone directory in an anime, which was full of
kanji, I wondered how the names get sorted. (I think, although I can't
remember for sure now, that they get sorted by their transliteration to
hiragana, which has a unique and unambiguous ordering.) Then I wondered
how phone directories are sorted in China, given that they don't even have
an alternative script like Japanese has (namely hiragana/katakana). Someone
explained it to me, but I can't remember it now.
Another interesting question is how they support writing kanji in
cellphones (which have only the classical 0-9 numpad). Yes, they do
support it. It's a bit complicated.
--
- Warp
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> The same sound has up to four different tones possible. That doesn't make it
> unambiguous, tho. For each sound+tone, there's still dozens of meanings you
> need to disambiguate, even if it's written.
I have always wondered why in Japanese, and probably also in Chinese,
there's no strict one-to-one-to-one correspondence between a kanji symbol,
its meaning and its pronounciation. The whole writing system seems to be
designed precisely for that: One symbol has (exactly) one meaning and one
pronounciation, making it completely unambiguous.
But no, the same kanji can have a half dozen meanings, typically at least
two or three different pronounciations depending on context (at least in
Japanese), and moreover, the same word can sometimes be written with
different kanji symbols (again depending on context, meaning and/or the
phase of the Moon). So the whole idea with the kanji writing system seems
to be completely wasted, making it overly complicated for no good reason.
--
- Warp
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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Jul 2011 21:56:34 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>
> > On 13/07/2011 07:54 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> >
> >> I was going to say, "Andrew Lloyd Webber" and "epic masterpiece" create
> >> a fair amount of cognitive dissonance for me - those two things don't
> >> really belong in the same sentence, IMNSHO.
> >
> > Yeah, weirdly a couple of people have voiced this incomprehensible
> > opinion...
>
> What's so incomprehensible about it? ALW's music has no redeeming
> musical qualities that I've ever heard, basically a sort of feel-good-pop-
> crap musical style.
>
> Even hearing the name triggers my gag reflex.
We're talking about Andrew here, same guy who doesn't dig Mozart, GEB and
poetry... :p
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> > Take the lyrics of almost any song, remove the music and you get a poem.
>
> Yes. And typically not a very good one.
>
> (If you actually sit down and think about it, it's surprising how many
> songs have lyrics which don't actually /make sense/ either.)
OK, now for some nice entirley comprehensible lyrics...
Brian Eno's "Kurt's Rejoinder":
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJNl7NjtbEU
Enjoy!
Best Regards,
Mike C.
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On 14/07/2011 12:35 PM, nemesis wrote:
> We're talking about Andrew here, same guy who doesn't dig Mozart, GEB and
> poetry... :p
On the other hand, there are people who like hip-hop and rap. :-P
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On 7/14/2011 4:47, Mike the Elder wrote:
> OK, now for some nice entirley comprehensible lyrics...
In China, they teach english with The Carpenters. "Because you can
understand what they're saying. That's why they call it easy listening."
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
"Coding without comments is like
driving without turn signals."
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On 7/14/2011 2:34, Warp wrote:
> Someone explained it to me, but I can't remember it now.
It is essentially sorted by how you write the character. Not the final
shape, but how you write it.
So first come all characters with a single stroke, vertical strokes before
horizontal strokes. Then all characters with two strokes, again vertical
sorting before horizontal. Etc. (Uh, approximately like that. Don't go
taking this post as authoritative, as I'm doing it from memory.)
If you know how to read Chinese but not write it, you have a very hard time
looking something up.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
"Coding without comments is like
driving without turn signals."
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