>> http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1144
>
> Now you're beginning to understand. ;)
>
> You're actually the star in a real-life edition of "The Truman Show".

Man, I hope the ratings are *awesome*! :-D

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>> Admittedly I don't know hundreds of thousands of people. Still, the vast
>> majority of people I know IRL don't know what Linux is, have never heard
>> of Firefox, and think MS Office is the only "proper" office suite. You
>> know, as if anything you can download for free off the Internet is
>> either an illegal pirate copy or a shoddy imitation.
>
> Many people do feel that way.  I remember reading a story in the past
> year about a teacher who told a student to get rid of that Linux stuff
> because they must've pirated it - nobody gives stuff away for free.

I remember reading about a memory of library stuff who saw somebody 
using Telnet. She screamed "OH MY GOD, YOU'RE HACKING OUR COMPUTERS!!!" 
and turned the computer off at the wall. The guy tried to explain what 
he was actually doing, but she wouldn't have it.

Apparently there are a lot of stupid people...

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On 19/04/2011 07:28 PM, Darren New wrote:

> Ever notice how the OSS projects that *really* take off are the ones
> that have good documentation? And the ones that limp along on three paws
> are the ones where you scour the internet to find half-ass tutorials on
> the version five years old?

POV-Ray, anyone?

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>> Usually "unhandled kernel-mode exception" or "page fault in non-paged
>> area". Fortunately, I haven't seen one of these for years now. I used to
>> see them almost daily.
>
> I did as well, but then I switched to Linux.  I think in the 15 years or
> so I've been using Linux now, I've seen the kernel panic maybe twice (and
> the second time was trying to reproduce the first time so I could file a
> bug report).

I've seen plenty of Linux kernel panics. Usually just after you finished 
installing Linux [or so you thought]. Assuming you get it to actually 
work properly in the first place, it seems pretty rock solid, as far as 
I can tell.

>> Perhaps you can tell me what event #3019 from MRxSmb means then, because
>> the description merely says "the redirector failed to determine the
>> connection type". (WHAT redirector? WHAT connection? WTF?)
>
> First hit on Google:
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/889000
>
> That article links to another that says it's an informational message and
> can be safely ignored.

I love the way it says this issue happens with SP2, and there's a 
hotfix, but doesn't say whether that's included in SP3 or not.

>> Once upon a time, a compiler or interpreter would have come with an
>> extensive user manual. Today you get far less.
>
> Depends on the compiler and the language.  One example of an esoteric
> compiler used by a small group of people doesn't make a 'trend'.

It's a data-point I happen to have to hand. I'm sure it's not hard to 
find plenty of others.

>> Then again, GHC costs nothing. The Pascal compiler I used to use cost me
>> £80. (!!)
>
> Meh.  I paid something like $250 for the Borland C compiler when I was in
> college (or just before I went to college).  I probably still have it
> somewhere.

I still have an illegal copy of Borland Turbo Pascal 5.5 for MS-DOS on 
3" floppies somewhere...

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On 19/04/2011 05:13 PM, Darren New wrote:
> On 4/19/2011 8:55, Invisible wrote:
>> How did you know it's something to do with SMB?
>
> MRxSmb

Wow, that's some impressive guesswork.

> Plus, "redirector" and "connector" are terms that SMB uses to describe
> the different parts of the stack.

Great if you already happen to know about that somehow.

> The "redirector" is the part that
> takes the request to X:\... and turns it into a request to
> \\server\share\... by intercepting the request and redirecting it to the
> appropriate networking layers.
>
> The connector is, I think, the part that actually transports the SMB
> protocol over an underlying protocol.

I suppose I shouldn't complain too much. It's not like Linux documents 
this stuff either...

Oh, wait. Windows costs hundreds of pounds, while Linux is given away 
for free. Hmm, OK, maybe I should complain. :-P

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On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 21:29:20 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

>>> http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1144
>>
>> Now you're beginning to understand. ;)
>>
>> You're actually the star in a real-life edition of "The Truman Show".
> 
> Man, I hope the ratings are *awesome*! :-D

You bet, but you need to do better with the product placement. :)

Jim

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On 4/19/2011 11:40, Jim Henderson wrote:
> Good documentation with crap software doesn't really go far either.

True, but at least with half-decent documentation, people might be more 
willing to help. If you can't even tell if what you're doing was *supposed* 
to work, even those who could improve it will be at a loss.

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    driving without turn signals."

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On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 21:38:30 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

>>> Usually "unhandled kernel-mode exception" or "page fault in non-paged
>>> area". Fortunately, I haven't seen one of these for years now. I used
>>> to see them almost daily.
>>
>> I did as well, but then I switched to Linux.  I think in the 15 years
>> or so I've been using Linux now, I've seen the kernel panic maybe twice
>> (and the second time was trying to reproduce the first time so I could
>> file a bug report).
> 
> I've seen plenty of Linux kernel panics. Usually just after you finished
> installing Linux [or so you thought]. Assuming you get it to actually
> work properly in the first place, it seems pretty rock solid, as far as
> I can tell.

Well, I've only got about 15 years' experience working with it, and have 
it running on - let's see....9 machines in the house (including my router 
- a non-Intel platform at that).  Oh, and two phones running Android.  
Make that 3, my stepson's phone also runs Android.

A couple of the machines are identical laptops; a couple are off-the-
shelf desktops, and one is a custom-built system.

I'll reiterate:  Only 2 kernel panics in 15 years.

How many times have you installed Linux and how recently?

>>> Perhaps you can tell me what event #3019 from MRxSmb means then,
>>> because the description merely says "the redirector failed to
>>> determine the connection type". (WHAT redirector? WHAT connection?
>>> WTF?)
>>
>> First hit on Google:
>>
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/889000
>>
>> That article links to another that says it's an informational message
>> and can be safely ignored.
> 
> I love the way it says this issue happens with SP2, and there's a
> hotfix, but doesn't say whether that's included in SP3 or not.

I don't see that that matters - they document that it's informational and 
nothing to worry about.

Oh, and guessing it had to do with SMB?  MRx*Smb* (emphasis added). ;)

>>> Once upon a time, a compiler or interpreter would have come with an
>>> extensive user manual. Today you get far less.
>>
>> Depends on the compiler and the language.  One example of an esoteric
>> compiler used by a small group of people doesn't make a 'trend'.
> 
> It's a data-point I happen to have to hand. I'm sure it's not hard to
> find plenty of others.

Sure, but the plural of anecdote isn't data (as Darren has said).  I can 
provide counter-examples until the sun goes down and what would that 
accomplish?  We have different anecdotes that support different points of 
view.  Big deal.

>>> Then again, GHC costs nothing. The Pascal compiler I used to use cost
>>> me £80. (!!)
>>
>> Meh.  I paid something like $250 for the Borland C compiler when I was
>> in college (or just before I went to college).  I probably still have
>> it somewhere.
> 
> I still have an illegal copy of Borland Turbo Pascal 5.5 for MS-DOS on
> 3" floppies somewhere...

I still have a legal copy somewhere in the basement, if it's not water-
damaged.  Probably still the Turbo Prolog compiler as well.

Jim

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On 4/19/2011 13:33, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> POV-Ray, anyone?

POV-Ray is an excellent example of good documentation. Apache is good, PHP 
isn't bad, gcc is pretty good (given it's implementing languages with 
external specs, etc).

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On 4/19/2011 13:40, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> On 19/04/2011 05:13 PM, Darren New wrote:
>> On 4/19/2011 8:55, Invisible wrote:
>>> How did you know it's something to do with SMB?
>>
>> MRxSmb
>
> Wow, that's some impressive guesswork.

Thank you. It comes with experience.

>> Plus, "redirector" and "connector" are terms that SMB uses to describe
>> the different parts of the stack.
>
> Great if you already happen to know about that somehow.

It's your job to learn this stuff. Now you know. Go read up how it works. :-)

> Oh, wait. Windows costs hundreds of pounds, while Linux is given away for
> free. Hmm, OK, maybe I should complain. :-P

But it *is* documented. Indeed, I gave you the microsoft links that document 
it. A trivial search showed the answer to your question on microsoft's site. 
  Why do you keep complaining that Microsoft doesn't document this stuff, 
especially in response to a thread that points you at the microsoft 
documentation found with a trivial search of the obvious?

Hundreds of pounds doesn't pay for someone to come and telepathically inject 
into your brain the answers.

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