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>>>> Where the hell rents movies for a dollar?
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/3q2n7c9
>>>
>>> Tell me you didn't expect this answer.
>>
>> How bizare... This really exists?
>
> No, I had a free hour and decided to mock up a website just so I could
> provide that answer to you. It's completely a fantasy made up just so I
> could answer this question in this way.
I love the way it says "why pay $4 or $5 to buy a movie when you can
rent one?"
You know, given that movies /actually/ cost about £15 or so, not $4
[which is apparently about £2.50 at present].
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On 18/04/2011 17:09, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 09:02:19 +0100, Invisible wrote:
>
>> In reality, MS Word is /the only/ word processor that anybody ever uses.
>> I tiny few people might use OpenOffice these days, but most people have
>> never heard of it. To them, a word processor = MS Word.
>
> So, where did you pull the statistics for the number of people who use
> OpenOffice? Did you just invent that statistic, or do you have a
> citation?
>
> Most of the people I deal with use OpenOffice and prefer it to Word. So
> if you're just going with anecdotal evidence based on your own
> experiences, that's fine, but don't cite that as if it's fact.
Admittedly I don't know hundreds of thousands of people. Still, the vast
majority of people I know IRL don't know what Linux is, have never heard
of Firefox, and think MS Office is the only "proper" office suite. You
know, as if anything you can download for free off the Internet is
either an illegal pirate copy or a shoddy imitation.
If you're going to tell me that among computer experts the picture is
different, then sure. But how many people are computer experts?
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On 18/04/2011 17:07, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 15:50:10 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>
>> Meh. I remember when you couldn't *get* software without paying money
>> for it! :-P
>>
>> $20 for a word processor isn't expensive. $200 is.
>
> Then you must be older than you claim, because freeware has been around
> nearly as long as computing has been.
I don't know about freeware. When I was a kid, "shareware" was very
popular. Every issue of Amiga Format would come loaded down with useful
little utilities that people had written, which you were /supposed/ to
send money for if you use it regularly. I don't personally know of
anybody who actually sent a cheque for 4 CHF or whatever to the remote
country where the author lived.
Of course, back then distribution was kind of a problem. It costs money
to mail 3" disks around the place. Not to mention that the disks
themselves used to cost actual money. (By contrast, today you can buy a
blank CD for literally pence.)
The Internet transformed all of that, of course. It wouldn't surprise me
if that's why Linux happened when it did. What would have been one
student's toy proof-of-concept OS kernel became an international
phenomenon. I suspect without the net it would have been infeasible.
> $200 isn't very much money if you have it. We've been over that before.
OK, so apparently $200 is currently roughly £120. (Which still doesn't
take into account average incomes, average cost of living, etc., which
presumably also differs between the UK and the US.) Even so, it still
seems like a hell of a lot of money for a program that doesn't even *do*
very much and isn't especially complicated.
Silly me, I'm thinking that prices have something to do with what it
costs to produce something. This is the 21st century. Prices are driven
by how much you can rip people off and get away with it...
> But as Darren said, if you don't want to pay $200 for it, don't - use a
> free alternative. But don't be surprised if you discover that the free
> version doesn't have the same features as the $200 one does or can't read
> the files that people send you.
I *do* use one of the free alternatives. At home, anyway. At work, I use
what my employer provides. More to the point, I have to *support* what
my employer provides, which is why it's so infuriating that there's no
documentation. [Which is how this discussion started in the first place.]
Of course, OpenOffice has no documentation either. But then you're just
grateful to be getting a reasonably good bit of software for free...
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>> STOP messages you can usually look up. (Almost all of them mean
>> "something happened which is never supposed to happen. Go check your
>> hardware and device drivers." But then, I guess that's the nature of a
>> kernel failure...)
>
> Um, yes, STOP messages are a type of ABEND (ie, Abnormal End) of the
> kernel.
Usually "unhandled kernel-mode exception" or "page fault in non-paged
area". Fortunately, I haven't seen one of these for years now. I used to
see them almost daily.
> But those aren't the only error messages I ever had to look up, and I
> never really had a problem finding *something* about the error I was
> running into, that was my point.
Perhaps you can tell me what event #3019 from MRxSmb means then, because
the description merely says "the redirector failed to determine the
connection type". (WHAT redirector? WHAT connection? WTF?)
> I'm not really sure what that has to do with what I was saying....
Once upon a time, a compiler or interpreter would have come with an
extensive user manual. Today you get far less.
Then again, GHC costs nothing. The Pascal compiler I used to use cost me
£80. (!!)
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On 4/19/2011 2:45, Invisible wrote:
> I don't personally know of anybody who actually sent a cheque
AFAIK, I'm the only person in the entire world that ever paid for WinZip.
> without the net it would have been infeasible.
Yep. And without Windows it would have been infeasible too, because there
wouldn't be enough people with compatible hardware to have a hope in hell of
getting it working on enough varieties of machines to make it worthwhile.
> of a lot of money for a program that doesn't even *do* very much and isn't
> especially complicated.
This coming from the guy who can't find the documentation on how to make it
do stuff? :-) Granted, most people don't use most of its sophisticated
features, but saying Word doesn't do much is like saying LaTeX just
translates one text file into another format, no biggie.
> Silly me, I'm thinking that prices have something to do with what it costs
> to produce something. This is the 21st century. Prices are driven by how
> much you can rip people off and get away with it...
They always have been.
> I *do* use one of the free alternatives. At home, anyway. At work, I use
> what my employer provides. More to the point, I have to *support* what my
> employer provides, which is why it's so infuriating that there's no
> documentation. [Which is how this discussion started in the first place.]
Next time you have a problem, I'll show you how to find the answer. It's
generally not difficult, altho sometimes it can be ugly. Especially if
they've rearranged their site and you start getting 404's. Really,
Microsoft? You run Bing but you haven't figured out how to not have internal
links to broken pages?
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
"Coding without comments is like
driving without turn signals."
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On 4/19/2011 2:56, Invisible wrote:
> Perhaps you can tell me what event #3019 from MRxSmb means then, because the
> description merely says "the redirector failed to determine the connection
> type". (WHAT redirector? WHAT connection? WTF?)
Type "smb redirector connector" into google. Hit #1 or #2:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315244
which does a fine job of explaining the problem and what to do about it
(i.e., nothing).
For more background, just type in "smb redirector" to google, and one of the
first hits is
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff686200%28WS.10%29.aspx
"SMB2 Client Redirector Caches Explained"
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
"Coding without comments is like
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On 19/04/2011 16:50, Darren New wrote:
> On 4/19/2011 2:56, Invisible wrote:
>> Perhaps you can tell me what event #3019 from MRxSmb means then,
>> because the
>> description merely says "the redirector failed to determine the
>> connection
>> type". (WHAT redirector? WHAT connection? WTF?)
>
> Type "smb redirector connector" into google. Hit #1 or #2:
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315244
>
> which does a fine job of explaining the problem and what to do about it
> (i.e., nothing).
How did you know it's something to do with SMB?
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On 4/19/2011 8:55, Invisible wrote:
> How did you know it's something to do with SMB?
MRxSmb
Plus, "redirector" and "connector" are terms that SMB uses to describe the
different parts of the stack. The "redirector" is the part that takes the
request to X:\... and turns it into a request to \\server\share\... by
intercepting the request and redirecting it to the appropriate networking
layers.
The connector is, I think, the part that actually transports the SMB
protocol over an underlying protocol.
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On 4/19/2011 9:13, Darren New wrote:
> On 4/19/2011 8:55, Invisible wrote:
>> How did you know it's something to do with SMB?
>
> MRxSmb
Note, btw, that I didn't even need to put in the error number.
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On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 10:45:36 +0100, Invisible wrote:
> On 18/04/2011 17:07, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 15:50:10 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>
>>> Meh. I remember when you couldn't *get* software without paying money
>>> for it! :-P
>>>
>>> $20 for a word processor isn't expensive. $200 is.
>>
>> Then you must be older than you claim, because freeware has been around
>> nearly as long as computing has been.
>
> I don't know about freeware. When I was a kid, "shareware" was very
> popular. Every issue of Amiga Format would come loaded down with useful
> little utilities that people had written, which you were /supposed/ to
> send money for if you use it regularly. I don't personally know of
> anybody who actually sent a cheque for 4 CHF or whatever to the remote
> country where the author lived.
Most of the magazines I entered code in had no such request. But
freeware was all the rage (along with shareware) back then.
>> $200 isn't very much money if you have it. We've been over that
>> before.
>
> OK, so apparently $200 is currently roughly £120. (Which still doesn't
> take into account average incomes, average cost of living, etc., which
> presumably also differs between the UK and the US.) Even so, it still
> seems like a hell of a lot of money for a program that doesn't even *do*
> very much and isn't especially complicated.
If it isn't especially complicated, then why do you have problems
understanding what some of the options do or are for?
> Silly me, I'm thinking that prices have something to do with what it
> costs to produce something. This is the 21st century. Prices are driven
> by how much you can rip people off and get away with it...
Have you written a word processor? Do you know how much work and testing
goes into creating something like MS Word or OpenOffice Writer?
You are making the mistake of assuming it *must* be easy.
>> But as Darren said, if you don't want to pay $200 for it, don't - use a
>> free alternative. But don't be surprised if you discover that the free
>> version doesn't have the same features as the $200 one does or can't
>> read the files that people send you.
>
> I *do* use one of the free alternatives. At home, anyway. At work, I use
> what my employer provides. More to the point, I have to *support* what
> my employer provides, which is why it's so infuriating that there's no
> documentation. [Which is how this discussion started in the first
> place.]
But Andy, it's just a simple word processor. Nothing goes into it,
remember? $200 is too expensive, so clearly it must be easy to use.
(Yes, I'm using sarcasm again)
> Of course, OpenOffice has no documentation either. But then you're just
> grateful to be getting a reasonably good bit of software for free...
I find the built-in help to be pretty useful myself.
Jim
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